Should life mean life?

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...se-stephen-unwin-william-mcfall-a8322331.html


So two men who previously had been convicted (separately they met in prison) for robbing and murdering pensioners are given life sentences.

A few years ago they are released as no longer a risk to the public.

They then go on to pursue various criminal acts theft battery eyc.

Before finally kidnapping raping, torturing, robbing (pin numbers and cards) and finally burning alive a young mother.


The two men were already serving life sentences for brutally murdering pensioners in their homes during the course of unrelated burglaries when they met in prison as cellmates.

Unwin had set the home of his first victim – a 72-year-old man he bludgeoned and stabbed to death on Christmas Day 1998 – on fire in a bid to destroy evidence.

McFall, of Waterloo Road in Blackpool, had murdered an 86-year-old widow with a hammer in 1996 after she disturbed him ransacking her house.

But they were both judged suitable for release on licence in 2010 and 2012 respectively and made contact again around three years ago.
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Why were these people ever let out?


Lives have been ended and ruined by these men in a wholey predictable way.

I know this suggestion is a knee jerk completley unworkable one but I wonder how many people would be released if the commute that seems them safe to be released accepted responsibility for thier actions like a guarantor on a loan if they go on to kill again the commute is held partly responsible either losing thier job or being tried along side them
 
Our justice system is a joke. I've been in prisons and more often than not the prisoners have a better life being fed and catered for than they do on the outside so have no qualms going back.
 
Shock as justice system populated by self serving morons releases dangerous criminals.
 
Convicts in not being rehabilitated shocker, is it any surprise? Prison time in this country is of little punishment to these people, I'd lock them up in 6x4 foot cells with nothing, **** their human rights.

When I say 'these people', I'm talking about cold hearted murderers, they should never see the light of day as free people again.
 
[FnG]magnolia said:
(separately they met in prison) is a boss band name.

OP's hotness doesn't make up for a poorly thought through thread though :(
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As a pretty bimbo it is my unassailable right to not think things through.

But short of greatly expanding our pension system simply to make space for keeping the people who just can't be rehabilitated till they die of old age I csnt think of a solution?
 
It's political, resourceful and historical. How much money and resources can be spent on housing prisoners within both the British and EU human rights standards etc.

Politically it's tied in with the current wave of PC'ness and whatever other ideologies.

The US is a wealthy country for example and can jail as many for as long as they like for example.

Anyway these people are beyond rehabilitation.
 
jsmoke said:
It's political, resourceful and historical. How much money and resources can be spent on housing prisoners within both the British and EU human rights standards etc.

Politically it's tied in with the current wave of PC'ness and whatever other ideologies.

The US is a wealthy country for example and can jail as many for as long as they like for example.

Anyway these people are beyond rehabilitation.
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Do any of these words come to a conclusion? Because it looks like uninformed nonsense.
 
That we can't afford to jail many people over longer sentences?

That the current political thinking is a lightly lightly appeasement style approach?
 
Yes, life should mean life for animals like this. People can **** off with their rehabilitation pleas.

They probably can’t be rehabilitated, and even if they could, they don’t deserve the chance.

I’ve been watching a show on sky called Murdertown recently. They’ve already had a couple of examples of murderers who have reoffended after serving time for murder.

Murder is the ultimate crime. Why should you ever have the chance of a normal life after choosing to deny someone of theirs?
 
I'm not sure that life should necessarily mean life, I think that a chance for parole in all but the worst cases should be allowed. We do however have rather soft (and often quite inconsistent) sentencing in the UK relative to the crime.

Frankly, as far as murders go, taking someone's life when breaking into their own home is up there as pretty damn nasty, for them to serve less than 20 years is a complete joke. Rehabilitation is rather hit and miss and when it comes to violent criminals the we ought to be far more cautious about releasing them. I think there is a lot to be said for alternatives to prison when it comes to other non violent offences - for example it is ridiculous that so many women are imprisoned for stupid things like not paying their TV license. When it comes to violent offences though prison does serve a useful purpose, namely keeping bad people away from the rest of society, in releasing a couple of murderers the rest of society was let down massively, they should have been serving much, much longer sentences for their previous offences and perhaps only facing the prospect of release once they're pretty close to pension age.
 
robfosters said:
Yes, life should mean life for animals like this. People can **** off with their rehabilitation pleas.

They probably can’t be rehabilitated, and even if they could, they don’t deserve the chance.
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Yeah if the person is a complete psychopath there is no hope. I have met a true psychopath in my time and boy it is very horrifying you do not want to get hooked by one.

The real problem here is that psychopaths have a better chance of being assessed as "no risk to public" because they are, psychopaths; absolute master manipulators.

Therefore this makes it worse for anyone who can be rehabilitated, because it's not impossible, and most people aren't complete psychopaths, I think it's unfair to just forget that some criminals do regret their crimes.
 
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