DM Clickbait for today. £13,000/week really???

Its a sad state of affairs when there is a severe injustice being done to a young adult and what people are concerning themselves about is the cost of care.

13k seems very plausible tbh. I don't think people in the UK realise what things cost for healthcare as they don't pay for it directly.

But this, as an example, OAP homes can easily cost 1-2k/week and that's for bare essential min wage staff. This is a secure facility with much more factors to deal with, ie security staff, degree trained professionals, etc on 24hr rotas. added together non of that comes cheap.
 
I don't give a monkey's about the money. That we lock up a young person in a padded cell and try and gag anyone from openly talking about it is sickening.

It's the reality of the life to be honest. Some children are seriously disturbed to the point they're a dnager to themselves and everyone around them. There's not a cure for all of them either.

The gagging order is BS though.
 
I think some of the foaming at the mouth posts in here indicate why there was such an order in place. Now we'll probably face waste of time legal challenges to have her released where in reality for her safety and that of others she is in the best place.
 
As with all situations like this, there will always be significant details which haven't been printed. It seems unusual that the council (social care) would have taken out the order when it is the CCG (health) who would have been paying for the bed at St Andrews.

I imagine the council don't want to end up providing a placement when her health needs are clearly as high as they are. Even a basic placement to cater to such needs can be £2,500 a week, which is a lot for a social care budget.

The cost of the bed at St Andrews is not that extreme given the provision. As others have said you need to factor in 24/7 nursing, psychiatrist, health care assistants, medication, occupational therapist, social workers, security staff, maintenance, it all adds up. For example I used to work in a non secure residential placement for severely autistic children which was £250k a year with no health provision.

There are mechanisms to review detention in secure hospitals. Either via a mental health Tribunal (if she is detained under the mental health act) or a care and treatment review by NHS England. I imagine these will have happened but aren't mentioned so I'm sure there are loads of things missing.

Edit: reread more closely and it does say she could only be discharged by a tribunal. This suggests she is detained under section which means she would have a 6 month or yearly independent review by a panel. They can't make a statutory decision as to whether she stays in seclusion or not, but they can make non binding recommendation. They can also decide whether to discharge her or not so the fact they haven't suggests she's in the right place, as unfortunate as it sounds.
 
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I think some of the foaming at the mouth posts in here indicate why there was such an order in place. Now we'll probably face waste of time legal challenges to have her released where in reality for her safety and that of others she is in the best place.

I don't think anyone wants her released, its only the DM article I can see that actually uses that term. Its more of a case of wanting more humane facility's provided for her. (or cost effective going from the forum posts), she's a patient not a prisoner afterall.

The gagging order is debatable, people should be allowed to speak out if they feel something is wrong, but the worrying trend of pitchforks at dawn thanks to social media is a worrying trend so I can understand why an authority that cannot lower themselves to that level would want to use the law to keep things civil.
 
13k? 1 week? Sounds like one of those things that's been outsourced to save money... And as we all know outsourced to save money = 10x the old price... I hope its not a real cost... Some things technically cost a lot like if you go to A&E with a ripped off finger nail technically that cost a lot for you to see a doctor and get a bandage but had you not gone to A&E the NHS would have spent exactly the same that week (maybe £50 difference for one more plaster)

168 hours a week round the clock care by multiple MH nurses, several clinical psychiatrists, facilities, drugs; it's easy it adds up to that much
 
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