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First RTX2070 review

Think we can say with confidence that this card will never retail under £500. Which given its slower than a 1080ti, I'm glad I went for 1080ti over this.
 
The prices on a Dutch price comparison site (tweakers.net) are showing from €736 to €804.
That’s getting close to as much as my entire pc cost....erm no thanks.
My 970 still plays everything I want at max (albeit 1080p)
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
Good to see the power of marketing melting people's brains and making £500 seem a "good price".
Have to laugh, otherwise I'd be crying.
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Lol, I was ok spending £200 in 2015 for a Sapphire Nitro 390 8gb but this was my max. Got it as low as £180 with selling the game on and buying during Black Friday deals.

If my gpu died and it needed replacing I would never be able to afford a card to this spec today so pc gaming would be over for me as I'm never ever going to have the money or want to even spend anyhing over this for a gpu.
 
Msi and nvidia aren't happy about this review being posted.

Kyle_Bennett said: ↑
Update: MSI has contacted us today asking HardOCP to remove this RTX 2070 review, even though MSI had nothing to do with sourcing this review. NVIDIA's green feathers are apparently flying over this RTX 2070 review being published before its embargo date and time that is has with reviewers that signed its NDA. This is how things turn out when NVIDIA tries to force 5 year blanket NDAs down journalists throats. We chose not to sign NVIDIA's NDA. Our review is 100% legitimate and we are not going to remove it because NVIDIA is throwing a fit over it being published. The fact of the matter is that NVIDIA changed its entire NDA/Product Embargo structure after we reported on GPP this year. It did this to muzzle stories about NVIDIA in the future, and it is on NVIDIA for tying that to its product reviews. It is sad that MSI is having to deal with the brunt of NVIDIA's fury over this, and to that, we are sorry that is happening. This review could have easily been over any other AIB's card, it just so happens that an MSI card was the first one that we could source.
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Fun times :D few more ppl should release other reviews, cpus, gpus and this stupid nda idea until product is released, will be over. Everyone will try to get products outside official channels and release reviews asap.
 
DarrenM343 said:
With DLSS put to use the 2070 could be 25% faster than the 1080 Ti according to an Nidia slide (@4K - TAA vs DLSS).
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lol what??, you have been living in a fantasy world ever since these cards were announced. Show me this slide that has the 2070 25% faster than the 1080ti. Or are you going by the Nvidia Slide showing the 2080 vs 1080. Think about what you are saying. First of all that slide is 2080 FE vs 1080 FE, a card designed for 4k vs a card that wasn't. So doing tests at 4k is automatically going to skew the results heavily in the 2080's favour anyway. Second, at 4K the 1080FE edition is going to throttle heavily because the cooler is pretty bad. And lastly, the 2070 has 8 less tensor cores so the results aren't going to be as good a the best case scenarios that Nvidia had on that slide.

If it's 5 to 10% faster than the 1080Ti in games using DLSS it will be doing pretty well. I am betting that it's going to be just about equal to the 1080Ti in those games and that's why we haven't had any reviews using DLSS in games yet as it's not going to be the magic bullet that I thought it was going to be.
 
melmac said:
lol what??, you have been living in a fantasy world ever since these cards were announced. Show me this slide that has the 2070 25% faster than the 1080ti. Or are you going by the Nvidia Slide showing the 2080 vs 1080. Think about what you are saying. First of all that slide is 2080 FE vs 1080 FE, a card designed for 4k vs a card that wasn't. So doing tests at 4k is automatically going to skew the results heavily in the 2080's favour anyway. Second, at 4K the 1080FE edition is going to throttle heavily because the cooler is pretty bad. And lastly, the 2070 has 8 less tensor cores so the results aren't going to be as good a the best case scenarios that Nvidia had on that slide.

If it's 5 to 10% faster than the 1080Ti in games using DLSS it will be doing pretty well. I am betting that it's going to be just about equal to the 1080Ti in those games and that's why we haven't had any reviews using DLSS in games yet as it's not going to be the magic bullet that I thought it was going to be.
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Please don't be insulting. And you've been quick to defend the 1080 Ti at every opportunity, a card you own I believe :). I believe my posts have been based on the evidence out there about the potential.
Did you not notice the underlining of the word "could"? I am only making a suggestion based on a "marketing" image in Nvidia's blog. It does however show a 51 FPS framerate vs 41 FPS of the 1080 Ti at 4K in one scenario with DLSS. One has to assume it's true at this time and that a potential exists.
NV are of course putting a lot of faith in third parties to help get the performance.
Edit: As requested:
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/10/12/deep-learning-turing-graphics/
 
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When I saw that the 2070 is slightly, but consistently, faster than the 1080 (which is faster than I expected to be honest), I was annoyed and thought I'd made a mistake buying a 1070ti a couple of weeks back. But then I saw the price and remembered I got my 1070ti for £360, altogether a different league price wise. I wonder how the 1070ti will compare to whatever card Nvidia relase for £360 - likely the 2060'ti'?
 
Malevolence said:
Tell me, can the 1080Ti make use of DLSS when it starts to get implemented in games?
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Today and for the foreseeable future it has the exact same DLSS support as the 2070 :P

Sorry but buying a slower card on the off chance that future software updates may possibly improve it's performance, when you can get a notably faster card for the same money is just a nono for me.
 
ubersonic said:
Today and for the foreseeable future it has the exact same DLSS support as the 2070 :p

Sorry but buying a slower card on the off chance that future software updates may possibly improve it's performance, when you can get a notably faster card for the same money is just a nono for me.
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It's the same as paying premium prices for Bulldozer because cores might mean performance...
By the time it even matters, there have always been cheaper, better options available. Granted the PC market seems to be going the opposite way, performance the same, prices up.
PC enthusiasts love to count chickens before they're hatched.
 
ubersonic said:
Today and for the foreseeable future it has the exact same DLSS support as the 2070 :p
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But what if Nvidia wake up one day on the wrong side of the bed and decide to (b)lock the feature on older cards? :p

Wouldn't be the first time they act like a dictator and block features despite the hardware that people already forked out money for are capable of doing so :D
 
Malevolence said:
Tell me, can the 1080Ti make use of DLSS when it starts to get implemented in games?
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Can the 2070? 2080? 2080ti?

Not at the moment and there is no guarantee that DLSS will appear or be supported on all cards to the same extent.

If and when it does arrive (and i'm sure it eventually will) there is no guarantee that it will deliver the benefits that have been promised either.

Only Nvidia's say so and performance figures from a heavily curated Nvidia demo. So the figures they want people to see.

Buying based on the promise of "we'll add it later" has never ended well for me. Buy based on what is offered now, anything added later is added value. That way if it doesn't arrive or under delivers when it does, you aren't dissapointed.
 
Poneros said:
Definitely ignore their Vega scores, they're incompetent at actually benchmarking the card (as are 99% of "reviewers" unfortunately). Still, surprised to see the 2070 scores, I really didn't think they would do this much better than a 1080.

What I don't understand though is why there's almost no place having 2070s up for pre-order yet. Even across Europe I'm looking and not seeing any listings. I wonder why they're holding them back so long.
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I take it you don't like the Vega being beaten like that then.;)
 
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