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[josh_sheffield]

Yep

There was found to be no link between cannabis use and schizophrenia

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317170.php



Ie it only affects those who have a high chance of developing schizophrenia already, the vast majority of users it has zero effect

I'm confused as to how your first statement "found to be no link between cannabis use and schizophrenia" is backed up by an article which suggests there is a link between cannabis and schizophrenia for test subjects who have an existing susceptibility.

 

[Minusorange]

I'm confused as to how your first statement "found to be no link between cannabis use and schizophrenia" is backed up by an article which suggests there is a link between cannabis and schizophrenia for test subjects who have an existing susceptibility.

Cannabis does not cause schizophrenia, therefore no link

It only has an effect on those with high susceptibility to developing it

It's like saying water has a link to schizophrenia because people who develop schizophrenia drink water

 

[something daft already!!]

Made me smile too! Hope it was intentional.

It was

 

[josh_sheffield]

Cannabis does not cause schizophrenia, therefore no link

It only has an effect on those with high susceptibility to developing it

It's like saying water has a link to schizophrenia because people who develop schizophrenia drink water

From the article you linked

The study confirms the conclusions of earlier research: that cannabis is most likely to produce long-term psychiatric effects in individuals who are most susceptible.

This is saying in plain English that there is a link between cannabis and developing psychiatric conditions, therefore link.

Even your second sentence is saying that there is a link!

The article even warns young people who have family history of mental illness not to take cannabis. It doesn't warn them to avoid water!

In other words, young people with a genetic susceptibility to schizophrenia - those who have psychiatric disorders in their families - should bear in mind that they're playing with fire if they smoke pot during adolescence.

It was

We believe you...

 

[asim18]

From the article you linked

This is saying in plain English that there is a link between cannabis and developing psychiatric conditions, therefore link.

Even your second sentence is saying that there is a link!

The article even warns young people who have family history of mental illness not to take cannabis. It doesn't warn them to avoid water!

A link is not the same thing as a cause lol. Schizos may be predisposed to altering their state of mind using drugs because they are schizophrenic.

 

[josh_sheffield]

A link is not the same thing as a cause lol. Schizos may be predisposed to altering their state of mind using drugs because they are schizophrenic.

Not quite sure what you are "loling" at. I have never said that cannabis CAUSES schizophrenia, as far as I am aware there is not a definitive known cause for schizophrenia.

I am disputing Minusorange's statement that there is no link between smoking cannabis and developing schizophrenia, when even the article he has linked to describes it.

 

[Minusorange]

I am disputing Minusorange's statement that there is no link between smoking cannabis and developing schizophrenia, when even the article he has linked to describes it.

Cannabis does not cause schizophrenia, therefore no link

Do you need a diagram or something to understand what I said ?

 

[dirtybeatfreak]

Right so rather than dealing with the issues that lead to people using cannabis. Pick the easier option and just legalise it.

Let's ignore the social and health repucussions. Ok then.

Are you against all of the Legal substances that have negative effects similar or worse then? If not, why single out Cannabis? Why does Alcohol, Smoking, Sugar etc etc get a free ride?

No-one can dispute the Health repercussions of course, like you have said, it can exacerbate mental illnesses etc but so can lots of legal things if the wrong person is using them. Socially, I am willing to put money on the fact that drink bingers(sp?) cause far more anti social issues than pot heads, as the smokers just can't be bothered lol Also willing to bet that a Cannabis addict will be a lot better functioning than an Alcoholic and could stop with far less effort if required. How many homeless pot heads do you see??

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I wouldn't be against legalising cannabis as long as it sits within a robust set of regulations.

What I would be against is allowing people to smoke it in public places. The last thing I want to smell is people smoking when I am going about my daily business, it stinks, its anti-social and second hand smoke is still a thing even outside. Smoking tobacco should go the same way IMO, if people want to do it in their own home fairs enough I don't care.

 

[BUDFORCE]

Sums it up, to be honest, last time I smoked weed, I did have a very strong urge to kill my own family. Guess I was lucky...

 

[Tefal]

I work on a dry site in an industry where being over the limit would likely get you sacked, and for very good reason heavy industry is dangerous at the best of times. I have no general issue with people smoking cannabis, I'm all for things that take money out of criminals hands and regulation generally makes us safer. But that said I would want to know how driving under the influence and other safety type concerns would be addressed and the fundamental research behind how long it stays in the body and affects performance clearly shared. The law written in such a way that people who take it can be held to account for their condition in the same way as someone over the alcohol in blood limit.

.there are roadside tests now like the brethalizer for alcohol.

So for on-site unlike alcohol you don't naturally have a bit of a level so a positive test would be bye bye

 

[Smokey Deza]

high grade cannabis

My neighbour likes to call the Police on me. I might go smoke one through her letterbox when she's out

 

[Roar87]

Weed being legal or illegal only changes who sells it and whether it's taxed

 

[Tefal]

pfft conservatives wont legalise it? tell them they can privatise the weed market and watch how quick it becomes legal

if its something that people are going to do regardless it should be legalised and controlled and of course taxed.

interesting piece from the independent a few months back
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...-cannabis-health-poverty-action-a8381646.html

what I find staggering is the quoted benefit to the uk economy being £3.5 billion a year. that's proper money in anyones books

People I k ow who grow it

It's worrying that you work in the medical sector and are quick to dismiss studies because it doesn't match your incorrectly warped view

That's some pretty vaguely worded **** right there!

What's robust use

Also nice to see the usual armchair expert trolls who've never even seen a pile of high grade cannabis let alone tried it, think they can tell people about cannabis.

Haha you say this like in the UK you know what the **** your getting.

Also you say this like anyone can't just hop a cheap flight to Amsterdam and try pretty much anything.

What on earth are you on about? You clearly have no idea what cannabis is.

The only social and health "repercussions" of cannabis are positive. It's one of the oldest most effective medicines in the world and it's healing properties date back centuries. Also socially it brings everyone together if everyone on planet earth was a top stoner there would be world peace.


Also schizophreniac haha you think the herb is the cause of this? Or do you not understand how schizophreniacs may be drawn to drugs before they become schizo lol.

Also depression and cognitive decline haha. Cannabis openes the mind and helps you think deep, clear and right. It also helps people with depression!


Cannabis is only illegal because it unites and calms people. This goes against the prime agenda of divide and rule.

You really contradict yourself here quite badly.


For one "the herb" csnt induce or cause schizophrenia but you don't refute this you jist say schizophrenics may self medicate.


Then you go on to say it "opens your mind and help you think deep and clear" (sweet Lord that's some ******** eh?) So it radically alters the way your brain operates but you claim it can't possibly change the way your brain operates

Cannabis is only illegal because it unites and calms people.

For somone who constantly claims to be a hsrdman gangster wannabe you seem to have never been to a council estate at night.


Also the whole "it's only positive" it's medicine is again a rather dumb contradiction if it's powerful enough to alter the way your body or disease works it has side effects there is no substance at all that is just a wonder drug that does nothing bad. Because if it's affecting your ill body that kuch its going to affect a healthy body

 

[randomshenans]

Weed being legal or illegal only changes who sells it and whether it's taxed

Yes and imagine all that extra money going on healthcare and education? Not to criminals!

 

[Scania]

Alcohol is legal yet taxed, causes untold misery in some circumstances yet brings in £millions for the treasury.

Cannabis is illegal, causes the same untold misery in some circumstances yet costs the treasury (in policing) £millions.

Either ban them both or legalise.

Tax it (like alcohol) let the treasury reap the results rather than having to fund a war that won’t be won.

I’d far rather spend an evening with a bunch of stoners than a bunch of drunks!

 

[Yaayuh!]

Alcohol is legal yet taxed, causes untold misery in some circumstances yet brings in £millions for the treasury.

Cannabis is illegal, causes the same untold misery in some circumstances yet costs the treasury (in policing) £millions.

Either ban them both or legalise.

Tax it (like alcohol) let the treasury reap the results rather than having to fund a war that won’t be won.

I’d far rather spend an evening with a bunch of stoners than a bunch of drunks!

Tru dat.

 

[Tefal]

Alcohol is legal yet taxed, causes untold misery in some circumstances yet brings in £millions for the treasury.

Cannabis is illegal, causes the same untold misery in some circumstances yet costs the treasury (in policing) £millions.

Either ban them both or legalise.

Tax it (like alcohol) let the treasury reap the results rather than having to fund a war that won’t be won.

I’d far rather spend an evening with a bunch of stoners than a bunch of drunks!

See the problem is you can alcohol everyone can make it very easily at home in a short time frame.

Cannabis takes months, a secure space filters fans expensive lights, a very close eye for detail ,one missed male in your crop, or one female.that hermaphradites into a male and your entire crop is ruined.

It's not really something people do except for money unlike booze which is as simple as "pour this stuff in a clean bucket put the lid on and come back in a few days".


Which is why it was possible to ban cannabis and coke heroin, mdma etc as its easy banning alcohol was so impractical it was always going to be legal.

Yes cannabis should be legal it shpuld be controlled and regulated and it should based on current research be a 21+ product (arguably based on any given Friday night so should alcohol though).


It does annoy me though when idiots jabbed on about medical this cancer that. Just day you want to get high withour commiting a crime that is a perfectly fine and justifiable answer on its own

 

[something daft already!!]

If cannabis is legalised it won't stop the usual people from selling it, untaxed. They will already be growing it, they will probably carry on as before. Unless legalisation reduces the price, which I doubt as it would be taxed it the hilt. I guess it would make it better for those who want to grow it themselves but don't want to risk going to gaol.

 

[Tefal]

Weed being legal or illegal only changes who sells it and whether it's taxed

It also cha he's the quality and the price.

Cheaper legal weed means there's less of an economic push to make as strong a strain as possible to maximise profit.

Sort of like how mostlike to drink beer or cocktails kr wine rather than necking 40% spirits.

Which helps users control thier usage. In the UK though most is grown indoors in urban setrings which means short times and short hight are key which means we pretty much only get indica here very strong very "****" you out stuff unlike the USA which mostly has the laughy giggly sativa strains because they have the space and time.

The culture for cannabis in the UK amongst buyers is then want what will borderline knock them out with the least amount used.

Legalisation would change that and hopefully see a shift in our culture of smoking to be more in line with the USA and Holland.
It becomes a recreational thing where people have a small amount in a group instead of people with ultra high tolerances sitting chain smoking in borderline silence