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8700k vs 8086k and RAM speed

aoaaron

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Is there much difference between 3000hz RAM and 3200/3600 when it comes to the intel 8 series? I know that ryzen likes fast RAM.

Also... 8700k vs 8086k is the different neligible?

I can get an 8700k bundle (processor/mobo/16GB 3000hz RAM and cooler) for 750ish... thinking of going for it..

however im not sure whether to try and get them to upgrade the RAM.
 
Depends on the kit you get, its not gonna be B die thats for sure.
so probably poor clocking ram though possible to get it to 3200mhz after that its negligable anyway in some senerio`s and synthetics though fast ram does help but only when you tighten the timings and tight 3200mhz timings are just as impressive as 4000mhz loose timings.

but to answer your question intel is not as susceptible to speed with faster ram compared to ryzen as they use different core interconnects/mesh ect..

also 8700k and 8086 are identical apart from there base/boost clocks thats it and its all down to silicon lotto weather you get a good clocker or not but they both are identical clockers if you pair them both together with the same lotto silicon :) 5.0+ just depends on the lotto but there feature sets are identical so go for the better price when choosing what one to get.
 
RAM does not really affect the Intel stuff as much as AMD in which their is a link between the infinity fabric speed and the RAM. Swapping my 3000 MHz kit in and out of my 8700k rig with 3600 MHz ram with even tighter timings shows no real gain in most areas (or at least games which I mostly do with my 8700k rig)

In terms of 8700k and 8086k, both are identical out the box aside from single core turbo which is 5 GHz vs 4.7 GHz on a single core on the 8086k and 8700k respectively. The rest of the turbo table, so 2 cores + are identical. One can also argue that recently 8700k's which boosted better became 8086k's so may be at the very top end the 8086k may do slightly better then newer 8700k's, but my older 8700k does fine being able to achieve 5.3 GHz and know other's who can so very much silicon lottery.
 
If its just for gaming i would go for the cheaper ram, and for the CPU its only worth going for the 8086k if ya dont wanna risk losing on the silicone lottery, If your happy with a mild overclock then i would just go for the 8700k.

I've had a few dud chips in the past that just wouldnt overclock well so i payed the extra £40 to make sure that i wouldnt be stuck with a dud again. Theres still a chance with an 8086k that you will get a poor clocker though so its not guarenteed, in the 8086k forum thread theres a few guys that cant even hit 5ghz.
 
The 8086k is working out 70 quid cheaper than the average 8700k.

Thanks guys,

So would it be a waste to buy say Corsair vengeance 3600mhZ ram? I’m still confused by this b die thing.. so if I buy 3600mhz ram.. it might not run at 3600 MHz?
 
Whether ram will hit its rated speed isn’t just dependent on the ram, the speed you will get is dependent on you mobo and cpu too. Overclockers like 8pack have their preferred boards that will hit higher speeds.

My 3200mhz ram won’t run at it’s rated speed unless I adjust my memory controllers voltage on the cpu.

If ya lucky ya might be able to just turn on XMP and it will work but just don’t expect this as it is an overclock after all.
 
BluD said:
Whether ram will hit its rated speed isn’t just dependent on the ram, the speed you will get is dependent on you mobo and cpu too. Overclockers like 8pack have their preferred boards that will hit higher speeds.

My 3200mhz ram won’t run at it’s rated speed unless I adjust my memory controllers voltage on the cpu.

If ya lucky ya might be able to just turn on XMP and it will work but just don’t expect this as it is an overclock after all.
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Ahh I see. Can anyone here recommend me a good Mobo and ram for an 8086k?
 
Im using 2666mhz memory with my 8086k and cpu appears to be running fine, as Im getting 1600 in cinebench and thats with cpu at 4.9ghz. If you look at the intel website, it says 2666mhz memory for the 8086k
 
Thanks guys. I'm not sure whether to invest in:

G. Skill Trident RAM for CL14... or to get
TEAM GROUP XTREEM " EDITION" 16GB (2X8GB) DDR4 PC4-32000C18 4000MHZ DUAL CHANNEL KIT - BLACK
or to just get corsair vengance 16GB RAM CL16
 
The higher the ram speed and the tighter the timings, the less chance there is of your memory being stable. Get some Samsung bdie and aim for 3200 c14-15 as a solid starting point.
 
aoaaron said:
Is there much difference between 3000hz RAM and 3200/3600 when it comes to the intel 8 series? I know that ryzen likes fast RAM.

Also... 8700k vs 8086k is the different neligible?

I can get an 8700k bundle (processor/mobo/16GB 3000hz RAM and cooler) for 750ish... thinking of going for it..

however im not sure whether to try and get them to upgrade the RAM.
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Yes ram affects performance.

Radox-0 said:
RAM does not really affect the Intel stuff as much as AMD
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Pure myth.

(the values other than 8700K are 2700X see after 8:00 gaming benchmarks).


some pretty loose ram benchmark (3200C16 is loose)


2133 vs 3866 is roughly 30% more FPS


So to sum up. The 3200C14 ram should be classed as minimum for any Intel CPU as is for Ryzen.
Now if you want 3-5fps extra, you can go higher speed but prices going up also.
 
Panos said:
Yes ram affects performance.


Pure myth.

(the values other than 8700K are 2700X see after 8:00 gaming benchmarks).


some pretty loose ram benchmark (3200C16 is loose)


2133 vs 3866 is roughly 30% more FPS


So to sum up. The 3200C14 ram should be classed as minimum for any Intel CPU as is for Ryzen.
Now if you want 3-5fps extra, you can go higher speed but prices going up also.
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Sorry I should have made it clear. I was talking past a certain point so in this case of 3200 MHz vs 3600 MHz in op. Yes if your going from 2133 MHz to 3600 MHz there is a difference but not so much when your moving from 3000 MHz to 3200 MHz and 3600 MHz as OP was looking at buying.
 
Radox-0 said:
Sorry I should have made it clear. I was talking past a certain point so in this case of 3200 MHz vs 3600 MHz in op. Yes if your going from 2133 MHz to 3600 MHz there is a difference but not so much when your moving from 3000 MHz to 3200 MHz and 3600 MHz as OP was looking at buying.
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Ahh sorry :D

Yeah 3200C14 is the absolute minimum on both AMD and Intel. After that for both there is the diminishing returns due to cost. Anything less and the performance goes down on both platforms.

Assuming someone don't start looking at dual rank RAM, where performance benefits both but again we are going down to 5%-7% more perf.
 
Panos said:
Ahh sorry :D

Yeah 3200C14 is the absolute minimum on both AMD and Intel. After that for both there is the diminishing returns due to cost. Anything less and the performance goes down on both platforms.

Assuming someone don't start looking at dual rank RAM, where performance benefits both but again we are going down to 5%-7% more perf.
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I get that but if the different is c15 3000mhz 32gb ram vs 16gb ram 3200 cl14..


Would it be better to 32gb rather than 16gb?
 
BluD said:
Whether ram will hit its rated speed isn’t just dependent on the ram, the speed you will get is dependent on you mobo and cpu too. Overclockers like 8pack have their preferred boards that will hit higher speeds.

My 3200mhz ram won’t run at it’s rated speed unless I adjust my memory controllers voltage on the cpu.

If ya lucky ya might be able to just turn on XMP and it will work but just don’t expect this as it is an overclock after all.
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Get the 3600MHz G skill ram its the best for overclocking and works best with the Asus Z370 ROG Maximus X Formula motherboard

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.sk...hannel-kit-f4-3600c17d-16gtzkw-my-101-gs.html

Same Ram but better timmings
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.sk...hannel-kit-f4-3600c16d-16gtzkw-my-102-gs.html

With RGB
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.sk...channel-kit-f4-3600c17d-16gtzr-my-10g-gs.html

Motherboard
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...cket-1151-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-6au-as.html
 
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aoaaron said:
Really? A lot of people on Reddit are saying for 4k Video editting, 32GB RAM is a much better option for timeline performance etc.?
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4K Video editing? You didn't mentioned anything like that as requirement.
However if you search around 16GB for 4K video editing is more than enough.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/6zonvb/16gb_vs_32gb_ram_for_4k_video_editing/

Howerver if you need 32GB then F4-3200C14D-32GVK (Samsung B-die) is what you need
2 stick 32GB 3200C14 @ £291.

It is +£30 over the 3000C15 but worth every penny.
 
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Panos said:
4K Video editing? You didn't mentioned anything like that as requirement.
However if you search around 16GB for 4K video editing is more than enough.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/6zonvb/16gb_vs_32gb_ram_for_4k_video_editing/

Howerver if you need 32GB then F4-3200C14D-32GVK (Samsung B-die) is what you need
2 stick 32GB 3200C14 @ £291.

It is +£30 over the 3000C15 but worth every penny.
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Where Can I get that? Looks like an awesome deal... Can't find it for 291!!
 
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