Shooting wild goats

ttaskmaster said:
There's a lot of legitimate and needed wildlife control in places like South Africa, where they even have official (but strictly limited and very expensive) hunting licences for sale. But you don't see them plastering proud photos of it all over the place...
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yes you do, plenty of Americans got to South Africa, Kenya, Zimbabwe etc.. to hunt - same sort of story happened not too long ago with the US Dentist and Cecil the Lion
 
I never killed an animal in my life, don't feel I would feel to good about it, but I don't have a problem with it, if anything, it's a sport and lifestyle I would like to pick up one day, but still, I wouldn't like the killing part.

That said, I don't have a problem with this, what she has done is legal and should be allowed in any part of the world, the goat isn't natural to that area, it's an invasive species that numbers need to be kept in order.

It helps the local economy, since this is costing her thousands, I wouldn't be surprised if she isn't spending into the double figures for the whole trip and she is likely doing this all year in different parts of the world.

If she is a proper hunter, she will skin and prepare the goat herself, likely giving the meat to the butcher for the final cutting, am not sure of the food import laws, but am going to assume she will have to eat most of it here, she likely will share some of the meat with her group, the butcher and land owner as gifts.

The same thing happens in safaries, a lot of the meat is donated to the local village. Yes she may keep the head as a trophy.

Shes connecting with nature then most city dwellers will ever do, while some fat slobs running their mouths off on twitter who will be visiting the supermarket for the next ready made meal to nuke in a microwave, she is going out there, spending a entire day in the rain, cold and crap, getting her own food and eating it.

Sharing it online, well, that's fine too, that's her life style, if you don't like it, don't follow or look at her. I wouldn't had known about her or what she did if it wasn't for the news story.

Don't like something you see on TV, just turn it off.
 
Out of interest what do people think of anglers holding up a fish they've caught (lets assume they're going to keep it to eat rather than put it back)?

It does seem less emotive when it is a fish IMO, though I'm happy to eat both fish and meat.
 
As long as it is eaten I dont see a problem myself. Maybe its the hunter gatherer instict, personaly I am happiest when im sea fishing. Combination of fresh air and no annoying people.
 
I've lived in a rural community for the majority of my life, surrounded by people who hunt on a regular basis. It's a way of life that I'm very much used to and have even been a part of in the past. I have no issue with hunting, provided it is done for the purpose of controlling vermin and / or obtaining food. What I do take exception to however, is this weird fascination some hunters have with posing with their kill. Taking a pride in killing is something I'll never understand.
 
ttaskmaster said:
I knew about the bow, as it's so much easier to miss and leave a wounded animal.
Didn't know enough people spear-hunted to get that level of attention, though.... or are all three members of the British Spearhunting Association hiding from an angry ******* mob somewhere near Stornoway?


Shooting around? Shooting away? They move pretty fast, you know.
You won't see them shooting toward you though... at least, not until it's too late. Then it's the last thing you'll ever see....................!!! :D
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They have a very particular set of skills and when they find you....
 
While I wouldn't want to do it myself for sporting/enjoyment purposes. It's something that needs to be done, so if someone wants to pay to do it rather than us having to pay someone else to do it, let them. It probably had a lower stress death than most farm animals, but we don't get many SNPs moaning about them.

As for complaints about her hugging it. Just don't look at her social media, or click on news stories about hunting goats. :D
 
Sasahara said:
While I wouldn't want to do it myself for sporting/enjoyment purposes. It's something that needs to be done, so if someone wants to pay to do it rather than us having to pay someone else to do it, let them. It probably had a lower stress death than most farm animals, but we don't get many SNPs moaning about them.

As for complaints about her hugging it. Just don't look at her social media, or click on news stories about hunting goats. :D
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Except it makes Scotland or indeed the UK look bad when these narcissistic ***** abuse our wildlife, no matter how invasive they might be. The problem is that these stories were bound to crop up on the news at some point and now will never disappear until the problem is solved.

That is just the unfortunate nature of ever increasing ability to connect with people.
 
I don't really have an issue for hunting if it's for food, population control etc. I have a major problem with people trophy hunting endangered animals, killing for bs reasons like ivory or ridiculous Chinese medicines etc
 
Eh...

The only thing weird about it is the microscopic examination of this regular occurrence. That and the disproportionate importance given to the moaning of sheltered people.

Hunter having a picture of themselves with a successful result has been a thing since forever.

Legally hunting animals has never stopped in the UK. You go buy venison from the supermarket or game fowl and check the details, a warning about "may contain shot" may illuminate some about how it got there.

PlacidCasual said:
D.P. said:
What about fake child porn? Is that acceptable just because it is aesthetics?
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I don't know what the legal position is on that subject. My starting position would be that things shouldn't be banned unless there is net social harm, as in the harm of removing a freedom is less than the harm that freedom causes. And if there is net social harm there must also be popular consent. Now I can easily imagine popular consent for banning that but I haven't really thought about the net social harm, although I can imagine there is a compelling argument.
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Oddly enough...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_drawn_pornography_depicting_minors#United_Kingdom

Chap got a 9 month suspended sentence for possessing manga (cartoon) porn featuring fictional children and warned (of the bleeding obvious) that if he had real child porn he'd have had a sentence... for real child porn...

But there you go, there is precedent for getting a criminal record and a potential jail sentence for fictitious images in the UK.

Alan Moore is mentioned there, he is a famous comic book writer and has had at least two major films made of his works. He also made a pornographic comic based on childrens stories with very adult versions of the same. Is he a criminal for making it and are you a criminal for owning a copy...
 
ttaskmaster said:
Not sure about the others but as far as SA goes, I'm semi-reliably informed (in that I have no clue my own self) by acquaintances in the conservation and anti-poaching industries, that such tourists often do not have the proper (ie, no) licences and permits and these tend to be the ones posing with kills all the time.
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That doesn’t make any sense, hunters taking pictures with whatever they’ve just killed is fairly common. It’s sounds like total BS for someone to claim that such tourists taking pictures are the illegal hunters, as if the rich Americans and Europeans who pay for hunting licenses don’t take pictures/upload to social media.
 
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