Humans

[Avenged7Fold]

The biggest reason for destruction of species and ecosystems is the meat industry. We have cleared away an insane amount of land for agriculture. 77% of that land is used in the meat industry - either to feed or keep the animals.

It is nothing to do with natural progression or saving to choose your family over predators. As far as educating poorer countries go, they are the ones that seem to be catering to the needs of the richer countries.

Changing culture and habit is the key. We dont have to give up eating meat, just eat less and rely on more efficient sources.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Does this mean i dont think we should do anything about it? No of course not but smell the coffee, instead of pointing the finger at each other take a look in the mirror.

Indeed, always see the same virtue signalling in threads like this. If you analysed most peoples lifestyles, they aren't doing much if anything to help the matter either. Just one example would be the consumption of meat, but no point discussing that because "huhehehaheh you're a vegan!"

 

[azazl187]

the problem isn't necessarily selfishness but rather education or lack thereof and short-sightedness. i fully understand @azazl187's position, i'd do everything in my power to protect my family, as would most (i assume).......but i know that we don't need to strip the rainforests naked, decimate animal populations and poison the oceans to protect mine or anyone elses family. these actions are counter-productive and are not long term sustainable. when eco systems crash and make no mistake that they will - who will suffer the most (initially)....the old and the young....so the little lad he so fervently wants to protect becomes the most vulnerable.

Is it? Is it terribly short sighted? Dont you think that by the time this "impending doom" will arrive humans would have invested another way to self sustain its self? I can imagine that before this happens something pretty major will happen on a world wide scale to kick our arses into gear but the species is seriously good at surviving and surviving well.

 

[StriderX]

It's entirely natural for a population to thin itself out once it's destroyed it's habitat, the thing is it's not really about lions, it's about everything.

If the Phytoplankton dies, we die, end of discussion, this world will go sulphurous and be permanently uninhabitable to our current biodiversity, this is entirely possible within this century. In the mean time hundreds of millions of people will be moving north into more temperate lands, and war will be inevitable.

It's the difference between having a mildly acceptable future and a disastrous, depressing one.

 

[Delvis]

Think we need a bit of ''Children of men" scenarios or something

 

[azazl187]

The biggest reason for destruction of species and ecosystems is the meat industry. We have cleared away an insane amount of land for agriculture. 77% of that land is used in the meat industry - either to feed or keep the animals.

It is nothing to do with natural progression or saving to choose your family over predators. As far as educating poorer countries go, they are the ones that seem to be catering to the needs of the richer countries.

Changing culture and habit is the key. We dont have to give up eating meat, just eat less and rely on more efficient sources.

I heard it was Avocados.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hRHZEb_uXc

 

[Avenged7Fold]

I heard it was Avocados.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hRHZEb_uXc

You heard what was avocados?

 

[Thekwango]

Is it? Is it terribly short sighted?

yes it is. of course it is.

Dont you think that by the time this "impending doom" will arrive humans would have invested another way to self sustain its self? I can imagine that before this happens something pretty major will happen on a world wide scale to kick our arses into gear but the species is seriously good at surviving and surviving well.

almost certainly correct, the imending doom (collaspe of ecosystems) will kick our asses into gear to do something about it. however at this point our global food resources will likely be stretched to breaking point and suddenly the old, the young and the weak become the most vulnerable (like your little lad - his own kids)
this isn't some made up fantasy, this is the reality if we don't act now and stop destroying rainforests, polluting the oceans etc etc

 

[azazl187]

It's entirely natural for a population to thin itself out once it's destroyed it's habitat, the thing is it's not really about lions, it's about everything.

If the Phytoplankton dies, we die, end of discussion, this world will go sulphurous and be permanently uninhabitable to our current biodiversity, this is entirely possible within this century. In the mean time hundreds of millions of people will be moving north into more temperate lands, and war will be inevitable.

It's the difference between having a mildly acceptable future and a disastrous, depressing one.

You can make and culture super Phytoplankton.... Maybe not in the volumes that we currently see but it can be done on a huge scale.

 

[FishFluff]

We could start by culling anyone who's had more than 2 children.

 

[azazl187]

You heard what was avocados?

That our consumption of them is destroying the planet...

 

[Roar87]

We need to limit population growth, but governments don't want to do that because the current generation pays for the previous one, which means you need continuous population growth to fund pensions

 

[Avenged7Fold]

That our consumption of them is destroying the planet...

And you believe that?

 

[azazl187]

I'd rather the Lions ate your kid tbh.

As would you be happy that they ate your mum? Or you Dad? Or your own humans? Thats a pretty stupid comment tbh dude.... But well done for making you first post in the forums a pointless one

 

[azazl187]

And you believe that?

I believe its one of the many problems we face in regards to getting a stable earth and our effects on it.

 

[413x]

Was talking about this with gf yesterday.

I said at least when we have wiped ourselves out and 75pc of species the world will recover.
The earth is favourable to life in the solar system. We cant destroy it enough (before we destroy ourswlves) to prevent life ever recovering.

And yes, the budget giving high earners more and nothing for the environment is perfect evidence of why we won' s our own destruction.

I wonder if kids born now will even survive to old age. That'ssomething for the posters who are saying "I care about my kids over the environment"

 

[rebel rebel]

I'd rather the Lions ate your kid tbh.





Too many people on the planet, and people thinking they have a "right" to have children.

Fingers crossed for a massive nuclear war/asteroid to kill 80% of humanity.

Strong first post.

 

[azazl187]

If it was written in the stars my mother was a snack for a Lion, so be it. I think your kid might be more tasty, younger flesh etc...

Lol number 2 wasnt that much better . Hes only 11 months old so wouldnt make much of a meal... Your mum on the other hand....

 

[413x]

I am 80pc sure we will ruin our world for ourselves. (I'm guessing most agree)

We (as a species) won't take the situation seriously until its too late.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

I believe its one of the many problems we face in regards to getting a stable earth and our effects on it.

But it is meat that has the largest environmental footprint. For every kilo of lamb consumed, a shocking 39.2kg of CO2 is emitted which is over 46 times larger than an average pack of avocados.

Because avocados are a trendy health food these days, its fairly easy to get stories trending on how the avocado is destroying the world, whereas the meat industry has always lived with its stigma and it has been brushed aside for convenient, cheap grub and profit.