Best top-class monitor for Office work? (Websurfing, reading)

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Hello dear friends!

What top-class monitor models do you recommend for office work 8h/day (websurfing and reading) ??


Today I have a iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, 2017), but I feel it is not enough flicker-free, sharp and clear.



Eizo? Nec?

*I just DONT want it to be to oversized 26-32 inch++


Thank you very much!
(I hope i have posted in correct forum, or else i hope Admin can move it.)
 
I like my Dell 24" P2415Q 4k monitor; you might want to look at the Dell 8K monitor. There's no substitute for the Mk1 eyeball for evaluation.
 
Quartz said:
I like my Dell 24" P2415Q 4k monitor; you might want to look at the Dell 8K monitor. There's no substitute for the Mk1 eyeball for evaluation.
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I have heard that EIZO and NEC has the most top-class models, what do you think? My budget is about 2000 USD.

Thank you very much for your reply.
 
I'm trying to work out if you problem is flicker or not.

Are you sure it's not the glass screen that may be the problem with the mac?

Or it could be what you don't like is IPS glow. Or it's slightly higher response time. The response times for IPS panels are a lot better than they used to be, but some people do still notice it making it blurry when you move something on screen.

As for the top end EIZO and NEC they are high end for colour reproduction and accuracy, which doesn't appear to be the problem you're trying to solve.

So it might not be the resolution that is the problem, but the type of screen.

The IPS option I would go for has been mentioned the Dell P2415Q, this has an Anti-glare coating like most of Dells workstation monitors, the imac screens look nice, but I'm glad I don't have to work on one for long periods, (only when I cover for someone).

Or you could go down the high end TN panel route or VA panel. You won't get quite the same vibrancy of an IPS panel with a TN, but the top end TN panels are a lot better than they used to be. But what you do get is no flicker, and the fastest response time possible. Pretty much no smudging/blur or glow.

The VA panels are close to IPS in terms of colour reproduction, but have closer to TN panel response time. When they say 1ms response on a VA it's probably not as good as a 1ms TN, but very close. The way response times are measured can be a bit woolly. :)

Going down this route you would probably be limited to 2650 x 1440 res and 27", but you can get much higher refresh rates. 120-165Hz.

At the end of the day looking at them running is the best test.

My Dell S2716DG is very sharp, no glow, amazing refresh, colours are still good, just not IPS vibrant. It has G-sync which won't be any help for your mac, but you can still use a g-sync/free-sync monitor with having a compatible GPU (I have crossfire RX480 in my rig atm). And you don't get any blurring.
 
Is a high refresh rate useful on a non-gaming monitor? I know it was awesome on CRT monitors - 72 Hz was essential for me and 120 Hz on my 22" Iiyama made reading text much more pleasurable - but does that apply to LCDs?
 
Quartz said:
Is a high refresh rate useful on a non-gaming monitor? I know it was awesome on CRT monitors - 72 Hz was essential for me and 120 Hz on my 22" Iiyama made reading text much more pleasurable - but does that apply to LCDs?
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It more of the case you tend to get the top end TN panels for these monitors (2560 x 1440). And there aren't many if any monitors at this res that offer higher than 60Hz without some sort of adaptive sync. The higher refresh rate will help if it's motion blur or smudging that is the issue. I can notice a slight difference between setting my desktop refresh from 60 to 144Hz, it's not much since it is still the same monitor, but there is a difference even just using the desktop.


This is only going to worthwhile to people they are hyper sensitive to motion blur or smudging, which is why I'd recommend trying to see one running if at all possible.

Obviously going for an expensive g-sync version over a cheaper free-sync monitor would be a waste. Free-sync doesn't add much to the price.

For flicker Free monitors you are looking for a PWN Free monitor.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/flicker_free_database.htm
 
Hey again!


This is the displays EIZO and NEC recommend for office work. I Just dont understand (newbie) how so low resolution can be good?
So hard to choose.
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Which one do you guys recommend? Thank you!



https://www.eizo.se/flexscan/ev2416wfs3-gy/ TN 1920 x 1200

https://www.eizo.se/flexscan/ev2316wsf3-bk/ TN 1920 x 1080 (Full HD)

https://www.eizo.se/flexscan/ev2456-wt/ IPS 1920 x 1200

https://www.eizo.se/flexscan/ev2451-wt/ IPS 1920 x 1080 (Full HD)

https://www.eizo.se/flexscan/ev2450-wt/ IPS 1920 x 1080 (Full HD)

https://www.eizo.se/flexscan/ev2430-gy/ IPS 1920 x 1200

https://www.eizo.se/flexscan/ev2730q-bk/ IPS (1:1 - same wide as imac 21.5”) 1920 x 1920


https://www.nec-display-solutions.c...mmercial-Enterprise-Displays/rp/E245WMi.xhtml PLS - 1920 x 1200

https://www.nec-display-solutions.c...rcial-Enterprise-Displays/rp/EA245WMI-2.xhtml IPS - 1920 x 1200

https://www.nec-display-solutions.c...mmercial-Enterprise-Displays/rp/EX241UN.xhtml IPS - 1920 x 1080

https://www.nec-display-solutions.c...Commercial-Enterprise-Displays/rp/E221N.xhtml IPS - 1920 x 1080

https://www.nec-display-solutions.c...Commercial-Enterprise-Displays/rp/E241N.xhtml IPS - 1920 x 1080

https://www.nec-display-solutions.c...mmercial-Enterprise-Displays/rp/E233WMI.xhtml IPS - 1920 x 1080
 
 
Sasahara said:
I'm trying to work out if you problem is flicker or not.

Are you sure it's not the glass screen that may be the problem with the mac?

Or it could be what you don't like is IPS glow. Or it's slightly higher response time. The response times for IPS panels are a lot better than they used to be, but some people do still notice it making it blurry when you move something on screen.

As for the top end EIZO and NEC they are high end for colour reproduction and accuracy, which doesn't appear to be the problem you're trying to solve.

So it might not be the resolution that is the problem, but the type of screen.

The IPS option I would go for has been mentioned the Dell P2415Q, this has an Anti-glare coating like most of Dells workstation monitors, the imac screens look nice, but I'm glad I don't have to work on one for long periods, (only when I cover for someone).

Or you could go down the high end TN panel route or VA panel. You won't get quite the same vibrancy of an IPS panel with a TN, but the top end TN panels are a lot better than they used to be. But what you do get is no flicker, and the fastest response time possible. Pretty much no smudging/blur or glow.

The VA panels are close to IPS in terms of colour reproduction, but have closer to TN panel response time. When they say 1ms response on a VA it's probably not as good as a 1ms TN, but very close. The way response times are measured can be a bit woolly. :)

Going down this route you would probably be limited to 2650 x 1440 res and 27", but you can get much higher refresh rates. 120-165Hz.

At the end of the day looking at them running is the best test.

My Dell S2716DG is very sharp, no glow, amazing refresh, colours are still good, just not IPS vibrant. It has G-sync which won't be any help for your mac, but you can still use a g-sync/free-sync monitor with having a compatible GPU (I have crossfire RX480 in my rig atm). And you don't get any blurring.
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Thank you for your great reply! Whats up? :)

It feels like you really know what you are talking about.

You are right, I dont know what the main issue is. I think it is because of the glossy screen and also that the text dont look so extremly sharp like it could on some old TN screens.
It feels like this iMac 21.5" 4k is more for movies and photos, not working and reading whole days.

I have never really liked DELL, maybe it is because i have seen basic models. But isnt it better to buy a top-class monitor from EIZO or NEC?
I have the budget so it is ok to pay extra just that i get that really nice display to work on.


27" feels extremly big for me, I need something from 21 to 24.

Do you have any tips?

Thank you very much again!!
 
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swealp said:
Hello dear friends!

What top-class monitor models do you recommend for office work 8h/day (websurfing and reading) ??


Today I have a iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, 2017), but I feel it is not enough flicker-free, sharp and clear.



Eizo? Nec?

*I just DONT want it to be to oversized 26-32 inch++


Thank you very much!
(I hope i have posted in correct forum, or else i hope Admin can move it.)
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Hi,

I have the LG 24UD58 and would get it again any time ;)

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £301.09 (includes shipping: £11.10)​
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EIZO are good for high end monitors for specific tasks. Their cheaper monitors don't appear to be any better than other standard monitors.

The Dell Ultrasharps are a professional range and are much better compared to their cheap monitors bundled in with basic home PCs.

Dell 24" P2415Q 4k
Dell 25" U2515H 2560 x 1440

Samsung S24H850 23.8"" 2560x1440 PLS (IPS type) Flicker Free.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sams...ional-gaming-bezelless-monitor-mo-23d-sa.html
https://displaysolutions.samsung.com/business-monitor/detail/1120/S24H850

These are all IPS type panels.
 
Sasahara said:
EIZO are good for high end monitors for specific tasks. Their cheaper monitors don't appear to be any better than other standard monitors.

The Dell Ultrasharps are a professional range and are much better compared to their cheap monitors bundled in with basic home PCs.

Dell 24" P2415Q 4k
Dell 25" U2515H 2560 x 1440

Samsung S24H850 23.8"" 2560x1440 PLS (IPS type) Flicker Free.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sams...ional-gaming-bezelless-monitor-mo-23d-sa.html
https://displaysolutions.samsung.com/business-monitor/detail/1120/S24H850

These are all IPS type panels.
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Hello!!!

I remember i bought that DELL 25" U2515H some years ago, but returned it back.
My notes say "to high resolution for 25", lol :(
Dont remember if it didnt work good when running in lower resolution, bad i dont really remember why I didnt like it, I was so in to buy a iMac 4k and tought that was a solution of everything, omg. :( My guess is that it was not sharp enough.

I also have a old LG 24UD45 4k UHD-IPS beside my iMac right now running at 1920x1080.
But not even this one is good enough, it feels not sharp and flicker-free enough. More a gaming screen i think. https://www.lg.com/se/monitor/lg-24UD58


So we only have these left:


Dell 24" P2415Q 4k - worth to order and test? I think if i dont like the iMac 4k, why should i like this one? :O Is it a big difference, what do you think?
Samsung S24H850 23.8"" 2560x1440 - worth to order and test?

Eizo:
https://www.eizo.se/flexscan/ev2456-wt/ IPS 1920 x 1200 -- 2017
https://www.eizo.se/flexscan/ev2451-wt/ IPS 1920 x 1080 (Full HD) -- 2017
https://www.eizo.se/flexscan/ev2430-gy/ IPS 1920 x 1200 -- 2018

NEC:
Rankad as #1 in a test about business displays.
https://uk.pcmag.com/monitors/33787/the-best-computer-monitors-for-business


I think i will choose 2 different and test them against my iMac. But which 2 i dont know lol ;(

Thank you!

Hmm, I feel little ashamed but this is really a big problem for me because I work at it 8h a day.
 
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Personally for productivity stuff (unless I have a need for ultra high resolutions i.e. some video editing) I'd always choose a 2560x1440 ~27" Dell it just represents the best balance for all around work.

If you really want that sharp glossy look then you'll have to go to some really high res on PC on a fairly small monitor and use DPI scaling as mentioned above.
 
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I'm trying to figure out what kind of office work is better suited to tiny 22" monitors than something like a 27" 1440p panel....cant think of anything personally !

Sasahara said:
Well that's your problem, you need to run it at the native res, any scaling done on the monitor will be poor.

You need the output i4K (Native res) and then change DPI scaling settings to get text the right size for you.

https://www.eizoglobal.com/support/compatibility/dpi_scaling_settings_mac_os_x/index.html
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Listen to him ^^^
 
Rroff said:
Personally for productivity stuff (unless I have a need for ultra high resolutions i.e. some video editing) I'd always choose a 2560x1440 ~27" Dell it just represents the best balance for all around work.

If you really want that sharp glossy look then you'll have to go to some really high res on PC on a fairly small monitor and use DPI scaling as mentioned above.
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james.miller said:
I'm trying to figure out what kind of office work is better suited to tiny 22" monitors than something like a 27" 1440p panel....cant think of anything personally !



Listen to him ^^^
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I hear you not. Many employees do work on tiny 11-13" ultrabooks. Compared to those, even a 17" laptop is large. 22-24" is ideal for a desk.
My desk, for example, can't fit anything bigger than a 24" screen.

 
Sasahara said:
Well that's your problem, you need to run it at the native res, any scaling done on the monitor will be poor.

You need the output i4K (Native res) and then change DPI scaling settings to get text the right size for you.

https://www.eizoglobal.com/support/compatibility/dpi_scaling_settings_mac_os_x/index.html
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Thank you! But I always change the DPI settings in that OSX menu!? :(

I did a test with my eyes. LG 24UD45 4k UHD-IPS vs glossy iMac 21.5" 4k.
The test ended with LG winning, but after using LG for 2min i returned back to the iMac.
I think the best of both worlds would be a display with the softness and color of iMac, sharpness and non-glossyness of LG. LOL, this is so hard!

It feels like I need to buy and compare two non-glossy screens in 4k and lower resolution.
 
4K8KW10 said:
I hear you not. Many employees do work on tiny 11-13" ultrabooks. Compared to those, even a 17" laptop is large. 22-24" is ideal for a desk.
My desk, for example, can't fit anything bigger than a 24" screen.

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Using a crap desk doesn't help. I do most of my work on a surface pro but when im sat at my desk its docked and i have a 34" UW 3440x1440 and 27" 1440p panel connected. I absolutely need that desktop space. Every desk-based office worker in our business has at least two 24"1920x1080 panels.
 
james.miller said:
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Ok, richman. I can afford a desk for 80 euros, anything more than this is a not justified purchase.

Yeah, there are industries where a 40-inch monitor would be needed, like at airports with hundreds of flights each day, but that is not very usual, especially in smaller countries/towns/cities.
 
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