European Army

The goal of the European Union is for Europe to be one state (which is fine if that's what they want), and a proper state has a military, so naturally the EU will at some point create one.
 
Haha,

Can't see this happening, it's hard enough to get two or three nations to work together on a shared project (eurofighters) let alone on an armed front.

Many questions would need to be answered or confirmed before it could even go ahead.

What language is everyone going to speak? German, french, English?

What radio kit are they going to use?

What weapon system?

What type of tanks? Leopard, lecleac et


Why not just spend the 2%required by NATO, (I.e. near the value of Germany constant growth)

Quite funny how trump is a bad guy for point it out that other nations have failed to meet there obligations
 
Ah, that's ok then, if the European Army isn't being suggested, then everyone can ignore my questions as they aren't needed to be answered. Many thanks !

:D

A random proper source appears! Gratitude intensifies!

Still, it's nothing at the moment. I'll start paying attention when pen gets put to paper.

It's a serious proposal with a decent chance of going through. Discussions on it were postponed until after the Brexit referendum specifically so that it could be pretended it wasn't on the cards. Immediately afterwards, discussions became public again. If you start paying attention when pen gets put to paper, then that's pretty clearly too late to do anything about it, Diddums.

One potential point of having a purely EU army would be...........get ready for the tin-foil hats.............controlling any EU internal decent should it ever need to, which is something neither a single nation nor NATO would ever be able to do. Now thats just one plausible reason to have an EU army alongside dozens of much more palatable ones so while the chances of that very specific use are tiny it does still exist.

There was a very good "Tom Clancy style" novel written in 1993 (as the EU came into law) by Larry Bond called Cauldron which has the following synopsis and gives a "worst case" scenario for an EU Army -

Now considering that written in 1993 thats a very remarkable amount of foreshadowing to what we see today.

Wow! Not bad. Looked the author up and he's a former Navy Analyst from D.C. But coincidence, I'm sure.

If you go back to during the Brexit referendum campaign Nick Clegg and co. were branding Brexiteers who talked about the plans for an EU-wide army conspiracy theorists and dangerous fantasists.

Yep. Heard more than one person be called that for talking about an EU army. I'd lay good money it happened here, too. I voted Remain but honestly, if I'd known about the plans for the EU army and how seriously it's being considered, it could well have changed my vote.
 
I think they’d be better off spending their fair share on defence in the first place instead of relying on the US, if it takes an EU army to start getting the likes of Germany to boost their contribution then so be it.
 
I bet tensions with Russia will improve once there's a United European Army on their border /s

Its an interesting point of view though, what will be Russias view of a European Army, would that make them form an equivalent of their own by linking with some other nations? Or would they dismiss the European Army as a non-threat.
 
What? The remain campaign said this would never happen!
They lied!!!

What else have they lied about?

Macron is a nepolean wanna be
 
If you go back to during the Brexit referendum campaign Nick Clegg and co. were branding Brexiteers who talked about the plans for an EU-wide army conspiracy theorists and dangerous fantasists.

Why don't the EU nations just pay 2% into NATO and properly fulfil their obligations to the US? it has kept Europe safe since the end of WW2 and there's only something like 2-3 countries who pay the full 2% of GDP. I suppose it's more of a case that they need jackboots now that they've got half of eastern Europe telling them where to stick their anti-democratic/anti-nation state dictats, dismiss the will of the people as 'populism' at their own peril.
EU is dying they need boots to control it's slavess
 
So the truth is coming out regarding the EU's vision for itself, with it's own Army. I can see German troops on French streets, French troops on German streets etc. They will have less quarms about shooting citizens from other nations.

And to think clegg and co thought it was a fantasy 18 months ago, I would be interested to hear his views now on an EU army.

Let's hurry up and get out.
 
I guess the question out of my list that I am most interested in, is the one regarding the EU and our membership, would we be included in the European Army once brexit goes through and do you think they might ask us to pay more into the European Army (as a non EU member). Or for that matter, would we even want to be in the European Army, I'm assuming that we would really. Or perhaps membership to NATO is sufficient for our needs?

Given the tories slash 'n' burn approach to our armed forces I can't see us being in a fit state militarily to contribute anything to an EU army other than a token gesture of a few tanks & troops, that's presuming of course the tories don't wield the axe again & cut the armed forces even more than they all ready have, which I fully expect them to some time in the not too distant future.
 
Given the tories slash 'n' burn approach to our armed forces I can't see us being in a fit state militarily to contribute anything to an EU army other than a token gesture of a few tanks & troops, that's presuming of course the tories don't wield the axe again & cut the armed forces even more than they all ready have, which I fully expect them to some time in the not too distant future.
No need we are fully paid up member of Nato are forces are world class and envied by the world.
 
It depends what you want. If you want a meaningfully collective security mechanism for the EU, you basically need a quick reaction force made up of forces from different countries training together and ready to deploy into active combat together. If we want to be properly secure we need to work together with other navies. Etc.

We already have that, it's called NATO and from that, we have the NATO Response Force (NRF) and for a ultra super fast force, they have the Very High Readiness Joint Task Force (VJTF).
 
'Here's a vague suggestion that would take decades to implement and require huge changes to the EU's treaties, which could only be done with the agreement of every member state, so let's read some fan-fiction quality material about the US having to liberate Eastern Europe from the EU in the meantime.'
 
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