Is a fireproof bunker/cellar feasible ?

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Terrible ongoing news from the western USA, maybe up to 600 deaths.

Instead of the risky prospect of fleeing in a car and getting lost/ trapped in the approaching flames , just hit the cellar , stay put and sit it out.
 
If you can afford a fall out shelter complete with independent oxygen supply etc.. then you probably could charter a helicopter (if not own one) - much better to sit it out at a second home or at a relative's house than to live in a bunker.

While some have been incredibly unlucky others perhaps left things a bit too late and ignored the evacuation warnings that could have allowed them to escape via road.
 
While some have been incredibly unlucky others perhaps left things a bit too late and ignored the evacuation warnings that could have allowed them to escape via road.

Watching some of the videos it does my head in - people trying to still go around doing every day tasks (i.e. cutting the hedges around their property and not for possible fire prevention reasons) while the fire is approaching (with mandatory evacuations being spread around the area) with a high chance their homes are going to go up (though in this case a good number were spared).


Looking a bit grim - a good number of elderly unaccounted for that probably didn't escape :s
 
Watching some of the videos it does my head in - people trying to still go around doing every day tasks (i.e. cutting the hedges around their property and not for possible fire prevention reasons) while the fire is approaching (with mandatory evacuations being spread around the area) with a high chance their homes are going to go up (though in this case a good number were spared).



Looking a bit grim - a good number of elderly unaccounted for that probably didn't escape :s
Yup, as often seems to be the case the plans for the evacuation of the elderly/infirm/unable to evac themselves seems to fail:(
Largely because by the time the evacuation order is given there may not be enough time for the limited resources allocated for the "requires assistance" evacuations to take place, especially when the roads are full:( (I think often the evac plans are timed based on normal traffic for example).

The same thing happens in the hurricanes etc, a disproportionate number of the dead are typically the disabled, elderly and poor, the first two groups because they often require assistance or are reliant on third parties to start their evacuation (especially if living in care homes), and the latter because they may not have transport themselves or they simply cannot afford to evacuate early enough (there are always examples of people whose bosses basically tell staff that if they don't turn up for work they'll be fired, even before you consider that a lot of people literally cannot afford a day off in addition to the cost of evacuation*).

Then you get the people that don't believe it will happen to them, or are more worried about looters than the fire//hurricane etc.

Even just having a few areas with a large concrete expanse (so the fire is a couple of hundred meters away), and a relatively lightweight shelter made out of non flammable materials would probably save lives, there was one story I read about how people who'd got caught out at a clinic/hospital looking for help due to injuries were saved by the fact the facility had a large concrete helipad, when the fire reached them they moved onto the concrete which kept them far enough from the fire to survive.


*One of the really unpleasant ways in which US employment law often hurts it's employees is that there are so few protections in many areas for them, so the employees (especially at the most vulnerable end of the scale) are under massive pressure to put getting to work before anything else, as they may have no savings and not even enough to fill the tank in their car for a long unplanned journey.
 
Fire bunkers are already a thing, they come prebuilt and then buried in the ground, but depending how much money you want to spend, the time ranges from a hour or more for you to survive in one.

For towns and cities, I'm starting to think they should build industrial high pressure sprinkler system that borders the town or city and other high risk areas and during fire season, activate it to keep a large area wet and safe, could even connect it so it uses fire retardants instead of water.

There is already small scale home systems, like WASP (Wildfire Automated Sprinkler Protection) but that's for homes, but am thinking of them building a system that walls the edges of towns to create a wall where the fire can't cross.

We already build millions of miles of water pipeline under our towns and cities, so it's not like this isn't possible, just need the money and political will to do it.
 
I would think building an underground home or real bunker would help a little but as above you would need some way to breathe down there.
Here is a video to give you some idea of what your dealing with, it is amazing how quickly the fire starts and the incredible heat in such a short time span it really makes you see how people can be caught and have no escape really terrifying thought.
They made a fireproof box to film this forest fire back in 2000
 
I would think building an underground home or real bunker would help a little but as above you would need some way to breathe down there.
Here is a video to give you some idea of what your dealing with, it is amazing how quickly the fire starts and the incredible heat in such a short time span it really makes you see how people can be caught and have no escape really terrifying thought.
They made a fireproof box to film this forest fire back in 2000

Bunker might be quite useful in that situation, certainly better than nothing if you're really stuck, that clip lasts for like 2 minutes and the fire comes and then goes (albeit leaving some rather small fires behind). If you could be sealed off underground for the intense bit then emerge when it is all smouldering embers and little fires left then you could at least survive.
 
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