2080 chump?

[Cavallino]

Argh. You guys are going to make me unsub my own thread!

Let me explain where I am.

Ive been meaning to get a faster GPU for some time, and now that I've ordered a widescreen 35" 120Hz monitor with G sync, I feel it is the correct time to upgrade rather than keep hold of my 1070.

I was willing to spend £500ish, so I've stretched it to £650 with this GPU.

As some of you have said, the 1080TI vs the 2080 is swings and roundabouts I can see some games perform better on the 2080 and vice versa.

I dont mind sacrificing a little performance for the sake of lower GPU temps/less noise, I wont be overclocking for sure.

I was looking at the 2080 TI, but for an average increase of performance around 25% according to benchs, not sure I can warrant doubling my payment to a bag of sand....

I think Ive made the right choice, couldve gone with a 1080TI that is on for 550ish, but in hindsight, I think futureproofing with teh 2080 is probably the way to go plus with slightly lower gaming temps.

Am I being unreasonable with my expectations and justification here folks?

 

[Kaapstad]

But can we really call it "performance boost" though? When effective the performance gain is from lowering the resolution and then rely on upscaling and AA to make it close to the higher res? (unless I am mistaken with how DLSS works?)

DLSS rendering at a lower resolution, and upscale to the higher resolution along with use AA by using AI learning. It may have the potential to have the best image quality in the context of upscaling, but it's still not going to look at good as native 4K resolution I think?

But putting RT and DLSS aside, I agree with people mentioned above about from long term driver performance point of view, the 2080 would make more sense than the 1080ti. The sad thing is though the 1070 came in at a lower price point than the 980ti, whereas the 2080 came in at a higher price point than the 1080ti.

I have tried DLSS on the FFXV bench @2160p to me it actually looked better than not using it.

Having said that it is just my personal opinion and other users may not agree with me about the image quality.

 

[Cooper]

I think futureproofing with teh 2080 is probably the way to go

No such thing in this game, today's McLaren level GPU is tomorrows Dacia Sandero level Integrated Graphics.

 

[Kaapstad]

Argh. You guys are going to make me unsub my own thread!

Let me explain where I am.

Ive been meaning to get a faster GPU for some time, and now that I've ordered a widescreen 35" 120Hz monitor with G sync, I feel it is the correct time to upgrade rather than keep hold of my 1070.

I was willing to spend £500ish, so I've stretched it to £650 with this GPU.

As some of you have said, the 1080TI vs the 2080 is swings and roundabouts I can see some games perform better on the 2080 and vice versa.

I dont mind sacrificing a little performance for the sake of lower GPU temps/less noise, I wont be overclocking for sure.

I was looking at the 2080 TI, but for an average increase of performance around 25% according to benchs, not sure I can warrant doubling my payment to a bag of sand....

I think Ive made the right choice, couldve gone with a 1080TI that is on for 550ish, but in hindsight, I think futureproofing with teh 2080 is probably the way to go plus with slightly lower gaming temps.

Am I being unreasonable with my expectations and justification here folks?

I think you summed it up pretty good.

The 2080 Ti is poor value for money from a performance gain point of view.

 

[DarrenM343]

Am I being unreasonable with my expectations and justification here folks?

2080 definitely or nothing at all IMO (keep 1070 and wait for the next gen which will be an easier decision) but I think you really want to upgrade so 2080 it is.

Have to look at it from psychological perspective too. Imagine you buy the 1080 Ti and some new game that you're really excited about is released and is going to be a decent amount faster on a new GPU. Most of us want the best experience possible. Suddenly you'll want the newer card. It's easy for some to dismiss the potential when it;s not yet realised but the difficult moment will be how they'll think if the potential is later realised. A GPU is often a decision for a fairly lengthy period of time too. You don't want to be in a situation where in 6 months you're trying to sell a used old Ti for maybe £400 or less and wanting to buy a 2080 at £700+ or the 2080 Ti.

Another reason in your case I'd say 2080 is that it makes less sense to upgrade to a new GPU of the same "old" generation, IMO.

Hopefully both sides of the debate have helped you to make a decision .

 

[Gregster]

But can we really call it "performance boost" though? When effective the performance gain is from lowering the resolution and then rely on upscaling and AA to make it close to the higher res? (unless I am mistaken with how DLSS works?)

DLSS rendering at a lower resolution, and upscale to the higher resolution along with use AA by using AI learning. It may have the potential to have the best image quality in the context of upscaling, but it's still not going to look at good as native 4K resolution I think?

But putting RT and DLSS aside, I agree with people mentioned above about from long term driver performance point of view, the 2080 would make more sense than the 1080ti. The sad thing is though the 1070 came in at a lower price point than the 980ti, whereas the 2080 came in at a higher price point than the 1080ti.

I will call it a performance boost and I actually prefer the IQ using DLSS over not using it. Running the FFXV bench looks superb with DLSS, so yer, deffo a performance boost.

 

[Gregster]

I have tried DLSS on the FFXV bench @2160p to me it actually looked better than not using it.

Having said that it is just my personal opinion and other users may not agree with me about the image quality.

I agree Kaap and it does look better to me with DLSS.

 

[Marine-RX179]

But I do think that its not worth hanging your hopes on RT and DLSS, as cool as the tech is, right now there are zero uses for DLSS and 1 fairly meh use of RT (looks very pretty, runs kind of poop) In the future these may be great, but in the future you may be able to get RT capable cards for a lot less money, so yeah.

Also not to mention the fact that the on current 12nm GPU, it simple haven't got enough dedicated Tensor cores and RT cores for properly doing the job. Technically it would be more ideal to introduce RT and DLSS together with the launch of 7nm GPUs cards in 2019, but of course Nvidia couldn't wait as they needed to launch something for a quick cash-grab and discourage people that been patiently waiting to upgrade and "motivate" them to buy the 2 years old still high price 10 series, or the even higher price 20 series.

 

[Marine-RX179]

I agree Kaap and it does look better to me with DLSS.

That's actually interesting to know.

I guess it is not unbelievable, considering on audio side of things like BOSE despite lack the comparable components comparing to its rival, but through careful tweak and audio manipulation, it can actually "perceived" to the listener to sound better than some other headphones that have better components when it shouldn't. Some people criticise BOSE for not sounding as how the source/original should be, but if it sound good...at the end of the day, who cares right?

I guess that is also be the case of how we perceived through our vision...it is probable that it can look better to our perceptions, despite technically it shouldn't. As long as to our perception that it looks better, it really doesn't matter too much what specs and numbers may or may not tell us otherwise

 

[Gregster]

That's actually interesting to know.

I guess it is not unbelievable, considering on audio side of things like BOSE despite lack the comparable components comparing to its rival, but through careful tweak and audio manipulation, it can actually "perceived" to the listener to sound better than some other headphones that have better components when it shouldn't. Some people criticise BOSE for not sounding as how the source/original should be, but if it sound good...at the end of the day, who cares right?

I guess that is also be the case of how we perceived through our vision...it is probable that it can look better to our perceptions, despite technically it shouldn't. As long as to our perception that it looks better, it really doesn't matter too much what specs and numbers may or may not tell us otherwise

Agreed and whilst it looks better in a demo, I still need to see it in a game to make an informed decision really. The demo is nice but a game would be better.

 

[Shaz12]

I bought the 2080 and I did not consider RT or DLSS in my purchase decision at all simply because nvidia;s track records with older architecture suggests the 2080 will be much much faster than the 1080ti before long.

 

[DarrenM343]

Agreed and whilst it looks better in a demo, I still need to see it in a game to make an informed decision really. The demo is nice but a game would be better.

I expect there will be some trade off but the question is whether the trade off is worth the performance gain. The answer to that seems to be "yes". Some who want to diss it will take screenshots and use a magnifying glass to highlight imperfections when the first game is released and declare it rubbish .

I bought the 2080 and I did not consider RT or DLSS in my purchase decision at all simply because nvidia;s track records with older architecture suggests the 2080 will be much much faster than the 1080ti before long.

Me too. But with RT especially I also decided I want to see it and kind of be part of its development. I was prepared to switch it off it I had to but not bothered so far - the performance for me has been fine. I said elsewhere recently, the work being done on RT now, including developers implementing its use right now (not next gen!), gamers using it, is part of the R&D of future GPU's. With DLSS I assumed it would be implemented in some games fairly soon. Overall I thought even putting RT and DLSS aside, I was happy to take the slight risk that the 2080 will improve with time. It's a different step this time and needs time to mature, bit like AMD;s fine wine development they're allowed .
Next gen definitely going to be much better but that's out of scope of the question OP asked.

 

[Gregster]

I expect there will be some trade off but the question is whether the trade off is worth the performance gain. The answer to that seems to be "yes". Some who want to diss it will take screenshots and use a magnifying glass to highlight imperfections when the first game is released and declare it rubbish .

Haha, very true and they can crack on as far as I care. If performance is there along with decent visuals and I am a gfx whore, happy days.

 

[kevman]

I think Ive made the right choice, couldve gone with a 1080TI that is on for 550ish, but in hindsight, I think futureproofing with teh 2080 is probably the way to go plus with slightly lower gaming temps.

I think you have made the right choice - now delete/ close this thread before it turns into another RT/DLSS slanging match!!!!!

 

[Mikeey]

I was agonising over 1080ti vs 2080 recently. In the end I opted for 2080. Has comparable performance and better future proof prospects/driver support. Both are expensive cards and I couldn’t justify paying only a slightly less amount for a 1080ti when they came out like some 2 years ago.

 

[Cavallino]

Cheers folks. Appreciate both sides of the story, but I think this the logical choice for me.

I went with the Inno3D with Clock of 1710MHz. I was contemplating the X2 OC which is 1755MHz, but I want to be on the safe side with regards to higher temperatures/fan noise.

Ive been a member since.... well 2004 and feedback from OCUK community never fails to impress, thanks again folks.

 

[melmac]

Cheers folks. Appreciate both sides of the story, but I think this the logical choice for me.

I went with the Inno3D with Clock of 1710MHz. I was contemplating the X2 OC which is 1755MHz, but I want to be on the safe side with regards to higher temperatures/fan noise.

Ive been a member since.... well 2004 and feedback from OCUK community never fails to impress, thanks again folks.

The 2080 was a good choice to make at current prices. Not so at launch. Enjoy your new card.

 

[melmac]

And lol at all the Placebo in this thread!!

 

[Cavallino]

Cheers fella.

Incidentally, Im just curious about people going with the TI, from what I can see and understand it doesnt give you best bang for buck but also appreciate its luxury product for some who are willing to buy it.

But at the current price is it really worth the extra 25% going for a 2080 TI?

(I was seriously contemplating it but for the extra grunt, for me I just felt its not worth the extra but can fully understand that perhaps, maybe for more deeper enthusiasts it is?)

I think I answered my own question!

 

[Nasher]

No GPU is worth the price of the 2080ti. When your looking at price per performance it's squarely at the bottom of the scale.