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Cat living in two different homes?
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And you are offering counter proof that animals (in this case, cats) ARE capable of love?
What do you mean by "human love" ?
Why would you even consider such a term as "human love" if according to you that love is some trans-species universal?
Just out of interest, how often do you make LOVE to your cat?
I refer you to my earlier comment, senor boring troll.
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Why?
Grow up
If you're so convinced that cats can't develop love (or attachment, or whatever other semantically equivalent word you would prefer to use) for people, then please explain how they can they develop separation anxiety (to the point it becomes a medical issue) when that person is no longer around?
Here's something you should read before embarrassing yourself further by insisting that they don't and we're just anthropomorphising:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/441a/0eb784f790aaf7542eba3b869ae276960776.pdf
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Desperation anxiety, haha.
Post links all you want, cats don't love humans.
I haven't onced said they don't form social bonds. Read between non existent lines all you want.
I thought the making love to the cat comment was quite witty myself.Grow up
If you're so convinced that cats can't develop love (or attachment, or whatever other semantically equivalent word you would prefer to use) for people, then please explain how they can they develop separation anxiety (to the point it becomes a medical issue) when that person is no longer around?
Here's something you should read before embarrassing yourself further by insisting that they don't and we're just anthropomorphising:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/441a/0eb784f790aaf7542eba3b869ae276960776.pdf
Desperation anxiety, haha.
Post links all you want, cats don't love humans.
I haven't onced said they don't form social bonds. Read between non existent lines all you want.
No you intimated that they don't (& can't) feel any form of emotion that humans would recognise as "love". You then proceeded to demonstrate total ignorance of the many different meanings of the word "love", by trying to imply equality between "making love" and other forms of "love".
Do you know that in many languages there are literally dozens of words for "love"? Why is that? Because there are many different types of emotions, that we English speakers all lump together in a single word.
Do you know that in many languages there are literally dozens of words for "love"? Why is that? Because there are many different types of emotions, that we English speakers all lump together in a single word.
The logic isnt irrational at all.
While Cats have been shown to respond to their people with an Oxytocin rush. It is typically a weaker one than with Dogs (Which can sometimes be very strong indeed)
But this is a "Men are taller than Women" thing (IE Men are generally taller than Women but at the same time, there are some very tall Women and some very short Men)
There will be a wide range in the intensity of response in both Cats and Dogs (And indeed Humans for that matter. For some Humans the "Love" response is so powerful it really can make people literally lose their minds. For others, even the strongest reaction is only Meh!)
Actually. I find the relationship between Humans and Cats a far more interesting one than our relationship with Dogs.
With Dogs we are exploiting an already established instinctive social behavior.
Pack structure, hierarchical social structure. Cooperation for mutual benefit. Loyalty to other pack members and so on...
And all of this backed up by many thousands of years of selective breeding (Both inadvertent and deliberate and planned)
Cats have none of this.
They are not pack animals, they dont have a significant social structure, There are some examples of cooperative behavior but it is not typical and up until very recently indeed, there has been little human interference in their breeding. They are essentially no different from their original wild north African ancestors.
And sure the emotional bond they have with Humans is generally a weaker one than with Dogs but the astonishing thing is that it is possible to have one at all. There is no analog in natural cat behavior that Humans have been able to piggy back onto in the way that we have with Dogs.
Unlike Dogs, The relationship that Humans have with Cats is quite unlike to the relationship that cats have with each other.
We can establish a close bond with a dog because they are programmed that way, Dogs cant help but to form a Bond, even Dogs that are severely mistreated by their owners will, like the Loyal Samuri, still typically remain devoted to their owners. Cats however are not. For a cat it is very much a choice.
ISTM that With a Cat the bond is much more one of friendship between equals rather than the automatic Loyalty that a pack animal has for its Alpha. The Cat makes a choice to be your friend just as much as you chose the be the cats friend.
Now, for sure, the Human/Cat "Love" bond will be a weaker and less complex one than a Human/Human or Human/Dog one. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all.
Any claim that Humans are somehow uniquely special and have abilities that no other animal possesses at all should be treated with suspicion. It really is one of those "Extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence" things.
Sure, Human cogitative abilities are probably the best developed of any animal on the planet, And our emotional responses are going to be complicated by the cogitative layer that we will build over them. But that doesn't mean that we are the only animals that are able to think. And it doesn't mean that no other animal can experience complex emotions.
There are some animals that are probably a lot closer to us than we might think, both cognitively and emotionally.
(Elephants are very interesting. They revere the bones of their dead and I remember an Attenborough type program some years ago where a baby elephant had fallen into a river and couldn't climb out because the bank was too steep. The Mother comforted her Baby while the other adults worked together to dig a flight of steps into the river bank so the baby could climb out! Mind-boggling really!
)No I didn't.
Yeah, I did.
It's actually being "debated" if a cat can love, not about humans loving their pets. There's no question about that.
Uhuh.
Segue?Hey guys, would you like to hear my definition of an off topic and boring segway?
If it is to be an indoor only cat then it will be able to handle this more easily then if it is allowed out at both properties. It isn't just a case of the cat "handling" being between 2 homes either. It wont be comfortable with the journey backwards and forwards, or the cat box / carry case.
It seems very much like you like the idea of having a cat at yours to play with but cant have one full time, but why are you willing to put the animal through the stresses of going from one place to another regularly and having to acclimatise to two locations that will be very different to one another, with different locations for litter trays, food, drink etc.
Cats are very much creatures of habbit and routine.
It feels like all the posts against you doing this have been ignored in favour of your desire to do it, making it a pointless thread.