Bringing family member from outside UK

dowie · 16 Dec 2018 at 22:57

Pyroblast said:
I forgot to mention that she is from an EU country.

I have been investing this and I have now an idea on how to proceed and get a more precise information.

I think she probably can then if she's fine to get a European health insurance card - you could perhaps check with the hospital she'd be referred to and/or citizens advice.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-rights/pensioners/index_en.htm

As an EU national, you can live in any EU country if you have:

comprehensive health insurance cover in your host country

sufficient income to live there without needing income support.

Income could come from a pension, if you are a pensioner, or any other source of revenue.

Lord-Jaffa · 17 Dec 2018 at 00:11

Em3bbs said:
People who put numbers into percentages always have an agenda. How many nurses or hospital beds would 300 million a year pay for?

There is no way that figure is accurate, Births from non UK citizens costs the NHS at least that much alone.

muon · 17 Dec 2018 at 00:23

Lord-Jaffa said:
There is no way that figure is accurate, Births from non UK citizens costs the NHS at least that much alone.

How is that health tourism?

Lord-Jaffa · 17 Dec 2018 at 01:20

muon said:
How is that health tourism?

How is it not.

muon · 17 Dec 2018 at 01:28

Lord-Jaffa said:
How is it not.

So non UK citizens having children here is health tourism. Right...

I suppose it's also education tourism, employment tourism, tax tourism.

Hodders · 17 Dec 2018 at 12:18

I hate this attitude. If the average Daily Mail reader goes to France they are more than happy to use French health services, but somehow when a French citizen needs help here it's 'health' tourism.

OP - I guess the best way to answer your question is to contact your GP and possibly the local NHS trust directly.

Good luck, and all the very best for your family.

200sols · 17 Dec 2018 at 12:25

Hodders said:
I hate this attitude. If the average Daily Mail reader goes to France they are more than happy to use French health services, but somehow when a French citizen needs help here it's 'health' tourism.

OP - I guess the best way to answer your question is to contact your GP and possibly the local NHS trust directly.

Good luck, and all the very best for your family.

Its quite different really, going on holiday and falling ill, or coming here with a known illness to claim free treatment.

Avenged7Fold · 17 Dec 2018 at 13:01

People are ignoring of the fact that our government can claim back cost of treatment from the country of origin in the EU.

Health tourism is only a thing when we fail to claim it back. So yeah, we are mugs for it but not because we are willing to treat others but because we don't bother claiming it all back like every other country in the EU...

Don't let that stop you using that as an excuse to foam over migrants though

Hodders · 17 Dec 2018 at 14:03

200sols said:
Its quite different really, going on holiday and falling ill, or coming here with a known illness to claim free treatment.

As @Avenged7Fold says - we can claim it back!

So many successive governments have totally FAILED to explain how the EU works. Preferring instead to blame it for every bit of failed domestic policy.

200sols · 17 Dec 2018 at 14:08

It really doenst matter if we can claim it back, its probably a long process and its not just the money aspect, there is the burden on our already overstretched hospitals. Its not about 'foaming' over migrants its about being practical. We can barely look after the populace we have without treating the worlds ill.

Avenged7Fold · 17 Dec 2018 at 14:37

200sols said:
It really doenst matter if we can claim it back, its probably a long process and its not just the money aspect, there is the burden on our already overstretched hospitals. Its not about 'foaming' over migrants its about being practical. We can barely look after the populace we have without treating the worlds ill.

Of course it matters.

You are clearly ignorant of the matter but still make assumptions. It is easy to claim it back, many other countries do so, all it requires is to record an identification number and that is it.

Our hospitals are overstretched due to poor spending. We are not understaffed due to a lack of available doctors and nurses but because we are making working for the NHS less appealing. Local doctors and nurses are going private or abroad because of it. We spend loads of money on big IT contracts/ building contracts/pharmaceutical contracts so the decision makers can trade favours.

200sols · 17 Dec 2018 at 14:41

Avenged7Fold said:
Of course it matters.

You are clearly ignorant of the matter but still make assumptions. It is easy to claim it back, many other countries do so, all it requires is to record an identification number and that is it.

Our hospitals are overstretched due to poor spending. We are not understaffed due to a lack of available doctors and nurses but because we are making working for the NHS less appealing. Local doctors and nurses are going private or abroad because of it. We spend loads of money on big IT contracts/ building contracts/pharmaceutical contracts so the decision makers can trade favours.

Regardless of the reasons, treating more people from abroad only makes it worse. Also I did say 'probably' so it was obviously an assumption, but well pointed out :rolleyes:

Avenged7Fold · 17 Dec 2018 at 14:45

200sols said:
Regardless of the reasons, treating more people from abroad only makes it worse. Also I did say 'probably' so it was obviously an assumption, but well pointed out

I was pointing out your assumptions despite your ignorance.

Why is it that people who know the least on the matter, always have the most to say :rolleyes:

200sols · 17 Dec 2018 at 14:49

Avenged7Fold said:
I was pointing out your assumptions despite your ignorance.

Why is it that people who know the least on the matter, always have the most to say

Treating people from abroad puts extra strain on the system, the system is already at breaking point (for whatever reason...) but your ok with it because we can claim money back.

Avenged7Fold · 17 Dec 2018 at 14:53

200sols said:
Treating people from abroad puts extra strain on the system, the system is already at breaking point (for whatever reason...) but your ok with it because we can claim money back.

The NHS is strained because we refuse to spend on staff. The size of the NHS gives us advantages when it comes to purchasing when managed correctly - unfortunately people are not being held responsible for corruption at the upper end of the NHS. Some people find it easier to blame foreigners...

I am okay with treating foreigners because we can claim the money back. I am not okay with blaming foreigners because that places the blame on something which is not at fault. Blame your own problems on everyone else and you will never fix the issue.

Hades · 17 Dec 2018 at 15:01

Not aimed at anyone specific...

So should we open the doors and let everyone come here specifically just for treatment, regardless of which country they come from, or the type, frequency, duration and cost of treatment?

If not then where is the line and how much would you be prepared to sacrifice in terms of delayed treatment to yourself and family and taxation (because not all money could be recovered)?

Trappi$t · 17 Dec 2018 at 15:53

Its very simple, if you are a non UK citizen, living, working, and paying Tax in the UK, then you are entitled to use the facilities.

If not, then, get treatment where you are entitled.

If you are a brit visiting Germany, and you are in hospital, 1st thing that happens is you get treated, 2nd thing that happens is you get the insurance/EHIC details to their office the millisecond you wake up pretty much.

If you are a brit working in Germany, you are paying into the healtcare system and get the care you are paying for via your private or government insurer.

Works for them, should also work for us.

agnes · 17 Dec 2018 at 17:06

Uther said:
20000+ postcount=unemployed.

Oh, so I'm going to lose my job soon? :s

dirtybeatfreak · 18 Dec 2018 at 16:00

Avenged7Fold said:
The NHS is strained because we refuse to spend on staff. The size of the NHS gives us advantages when it comes to purchasing when managed correctly - unfortunately people are not being held responsible for corruption at the upper end of the NHS. Some people find it easier to blame foreigners...

I am okay with treating foreigners because we can claim the money back. I am not okay with blaming foreigners because that places the blame on something which is not at fault. Blame your own problems on everyone else and you will never fix the issue.

Whether the government gets refunded for it or not is irrelevant, more people coming over still equals more people to treat, it's as simple as that. Bed shortages or lack of staff isn't magically fixed because it gets paid elsewhere, the work still has to be done and like you say, the dodgy gits up top don't put more money it to counter the extra work. No-one can say it is directly the foreigners coming over for treatment that is the fault, but more that we shouldn't be treating 'extra' when can't cope with our own workload properly.

Lord-Jaffa · 18 Dec 2018 at 16:08

dirtybeatfreak said:
Whether the government gets refunded for it or not is irrelevant, more people coming over still equals more people to treat, it's as simple as that. Bed shortages or lack of staff isn't magically fixed because it gets paid elsewhere, the work still has to be done and like you say, the dodgy gits up top don't put more money it to counter the extra work. No-one can say it is directly the foreigners coming over for treatment that is the fault but more that we shouldn't be treating 'extra' when can't cope with our own workload properly.

It's always a waste of time to argue these topics, people would be advocating free healthcare for everyone across the world while they are dying of cancer and can't get treatment because of waiting lists. I contribute taxes willingly into a system to help those who live and contribute/have contributed towards our society, not those coming here for health tourism, or for a British passport for their kid.