Are we supposed to feel sorry for him?

LabR@t · 30 Dec 2018 at 08:43

https://news.sky.com/story/totally-humiliated-deported-for-crime-after-decades-in-uk-11585647

He lives here, we pay for his education he breaks the law.

. [Former UBS trader Kweku Adoboli, who was found guilty of fraud at a London court on Tuesday, cost the Swiss bank £1.4bn ($2.3bn

He is deported, sorry but if you break the law you lose the right to live here, we have enough of our own criminals who we are stuck with.
Bugger off I hope you miss the UK, perhaps you should have obeyed the law.

Uther · 30 Dec 2018 at 08:45

Was just reading that story, and was thinking pretty much the same. Other cases currently fighting deportation is someone jailed for drug offences and another for violence and firearms offences.
I have zero sympathy for them.

platinum87 · 30 Dec 2018 at 08:58

If he just applied for British citizenship, he would not be deported.

Its that simple.

Also what is his crime? Losing money trading is not a crime.

darkgen · 30 Dec 2018 at 08:59

Ignoring the criminal aspect, the article suggests the outcome was self-inflicted due to his inaction to formalise his status. e.g. to apply for British naturalisation. Seems an extreme oversight on his part given his then, current and now status.

Felon · 30 Dec 2018 at 09:14

platinum87 said:
Also what is his crime? Losing money trading is not a crime.

He was convicted of fraud by abuse of position, not simply losing money through trading.

Skynet5 · 30 Dec 2018 at 09:15

platinum87 said:
If he just applied for British citizenship, he would not be deported.

Its that simple.

Also what is his crime? Losing money trading is not a crime.

Traders tend to have to work within parameters. Especially those working for investment bank.

He'll have broken lots of rules, some Company, some regulatory. Fraud is illegal.

robgmun · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:16

darkgen said:
Ignoring the criminal aspect, the article suggests the outcome was self-inflicted due to his inaction to formalise his status. e.g. to apply for British naturalisation. Seems an extreme oversight on his part given his then, current and now status.

You won't believe how common this is. It's because up until now we've been a soft touch so people feel safe just staying without doing anything about it.

Burnsy2023 · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:21

I have mixed feelings on this, but I would ask the question "what does deporting him achieve?". His likelihood of reoffending seems to be low. So what is the purpose in this particular circumstance?

darkgen · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:36

Burnsy2023 said:
I have mixed feelings on this, but I would ask the question "what does deporting him achieve?". His likelihood of reoffending seems to be low. So what is the purpose in this particular circumstance?

I suppose the circumstance was in accordance with the law. British Justice was achieved.

h4rm0ny · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:38

I do feel sorry for him. As a general rule, I feel sorry for everyone. But he brought this on himself and he also had ample opportunity to apply for British citizenship. He's also apparently been welcomed in his new country and has both financial support and business contacts. It's not like he's an opponent of Assad that we just sent back to Syria.

darael · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:41

...it seems entirely disproportionate to tear them away from their lives, families and friends in the UK, and send them to countries where they may not speak the language or have any ties.

Yet they do all of this to come to Europe or the UK.

DarrenM343 · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:41

Immigration is good but this seems right to me. Committed a crime and not a British Citizen? Bye bye. That's how it should be I think. This is how we can help encourage those that migrate here to be good citizens.

Em3bbs · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:44

Burnsy2023 said:
I have mixed feelings on this, but I would ask the question "what does deporting him achieve?". His likelihood of reoffending seems to be low. So what is the purpose in this particular circumstance?

It's in the article.

Under the 2007 Border Act anyone who has served a prison sentence of more than one year is liable to automatic deportation. To appeal, ex-offenders must show they have "compelling" reasons not to be removed, and the bar for this is high.

This guy doesn't have a wife or kids or anything like that.

h4rm0ny · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:45

Burnsy2023 said:
I have mixed feelings on this, but I would ask the question "what does deporting him achieve?". His likelihood of reoffending seems to be low. So what is the purpose in this particular circumstance?

I think the general principle is that if you find a guest in your house putting your stuff in their coat pocket, they're not welcome in your house anymore. That's a reasonable principle. The only thing that is making this different is the length of time he lived here which frankly, he should have said "I'm staying" and been accepted as a citizen rather than continuing to live as a visitor. I do feel sorry for him, but I also see the reasons for this.

The person I most feel sorry for is his partner who has presumably waited for him for the four years of his incarceration only to find out at the end of it he's deported. Those are four years she will never get back.

This article also really lays it on thick, it has to be said. Got to love the bit where it spins a drug dealer as a victim. The dealer got multiple years. You don't get that for passing round a bit of weed to adults. Typically it means you're either dealing in bulk importing or you've been selling drugs to kids. If someone did a few years for drug dealing, odds are it's the second.

h4rm0ny · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:48

Em3bbs said:
This guy doesn't have a wife or kids or anything like that.

I think this is important. Obviously there are going to be cases where deportation would just be compounding wrongs. But the fact that we DO have allowance for this built into the law is significant. If he was a father of British children, I imagine he would be allowed to stay. I think I'm okay with such laws so long as there are provisions to deal with such cases. It's significant that the article writers couldn't give instances like this. I imagine if they could, they would.

chaparral · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:49

Wonder how many of you would feel the same if it was your girlfriend or boyfriend of many years that was being deported....

h4rm0ny · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:51

chaparral said:
Wonder how many of you would feel the same if it was your partner of many years that was being deported....

Probably quite a few of us. Objectivity goes out of the window for most people when they're personally harmed by something.

Nasher · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:51

Uther said:
Was just reading that story, and was thinking pretty much the same. Other cases currently fighting deportation is someone jailed for drug offences and another for violence and firearms offences.
I have zero sympathy for them.

Yep, if you get caught doing something serious like that it should be a jail term then deportation. Unless they are already wanted in their home country in which case immediate deportation. They shouldn't even get a chance to fight it.

Chris Wilson · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:56

What is it about the UK that makes people hold up ex criminals as suitable candidates to lecture young people on their career? Another dodgy import thankfully sent back, just a few thousand more to go.... We now have a leading Labour MP publicly stating she won't give up her parliamentary status even if given a prison sentence of a year or less, despite being charged with a devious offence. On the bright side cases like this and those who loudly support these criminals just makes the swerve to the Right harder and faster

DarrenM343 · 30 Dec 2018 at 10:57

h4rm0ny said:
Probably quite a few of us. Objectivity goes out of the window for most people when they're personally harmed by something.

Would you continue to be a partner of someone who committed such a crime and you never knew about it?

COuld always go with them.
How about if you had personally been affected by fraud, losing a lot of money? Objectivity then?