Check my build! Can it be improved in some areas?

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My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £916.75 (includes shipping: £15.90)
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This is what I think im going with.

Im already sorted for hard drive space (4 and 8tb WD HDD's and for SSD's I have a Samsung Evo 250gb and Intel 3500 series 480gb)

Just got some questions to make sure I've done this right:

1) Is this all compatible together?

2) Is it worth going for a X470 mobo to upgrade cpu in the future? or will the B450 be able to possibly handle the 3600X and the 3700X?

3) Are there better options for the monitor? I'm currently quite low on money, so this will just be a temporary monitor I will use until I can afford a better one, in which this will become the second monitor in a dual monitor setup. So essentially what i'm asking is, is this monitor good as a secondary one to use for the price? All I need is one big enough for the time being and decent enough quality. (I plan on a 1440p 144hz 25 inch or bigger screen as my primary in the future)

Thoughts?
 
orbitalwalsh said:
PSU is over kill, could go Bequiet 600w pure 10 for £60 on sale

X470 personally for ryzen 3*** if you plan to go that way
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I was thinking that, but isnt it better future proofed? I plan on upgrading some of my system in the future and maybe OC'ing, and I feel like this PSU will basically last me forever and will never really need to change it
 
@Praz94

I have added my recommendations in your post.

Praz94 said:
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £916.75 (includes shipping: £15.90)
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This is what I think im going with.

Im already sorted for hard drive space (4 and 8tb WD HDD's and for SSD's I have a Samsung Evo 250gb and Intel 3500 series 480gb)

Just got some questions to make sure I've done this right:

1) Is this all compatible together?

Yes but I would consider a dedicated cooler, an effective Air Cooler like this is only £35:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cooler-master-hyper-212-black-edition-cpu-cooler-hs-081-cm.html

You will need at least one extra case fan, preferably two:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/phanteks-ph-f120xp-pwm-120mm-fan-black-white-fg-018-pt.html

I would also change the PSU to a fully modular Seasonic PSU. It’s the best PSU and has decent looking cables and is fully modular,

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seas...plus-gold-modular-power-supply-ca-05q-ss.html

2) Is it worth going for a X470 mobo to upgrade cpu in the future? or will the B450 be able to possibly handle the 3600X and the 3700X?

It is definitely worth getting an X470 board, there are features absent from B450 such as USB 3.1 Gen 2 USB front panel headers (though that case doesn’t support it)

There is an open box Gigabyte X470 available for an extra £15:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/b-gr...-socket-am4-ddr4-atx-mb-56z-gi-bg-57u-gi.html

Also go for a Ryzen 5 2600 not a Ryzen 2600X as once power limits are removed they are basically same chip saving £50:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3af-am.html

3) Are there better options for the monitor? I'm currently quite low on money, so this will just be a temporary monitor I will use until I can afford a better one, in which this will become the second monitor in a dual monitor setup. So essentially what i'm asking is, is this monitor good as a secondary one to use for the price? All I need is one big enough for the time being and decent enough quality. (I plan on a 1440p 144hz 25 inch or bigger screen as my primary in the future)

Try looking at this model:

LG 24MP59G-P

https://www.displayninja.com/best-gaming-monitor-under-200/#LG24MP59G

Thoughts?
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better monitor (144hz freesync)
dropped the cpu from 2600x to 2600 - saves £50, but is lower clocked out of the box and has a smaller cooler. best value ryzen right this moment now, though
better mobo (also has inbuilt wifi - swap to msi b450 tomahawk for a cheaper solution if you don't need wifi)
dropped psu wattage to 650w, you don't need a 750w psu unless running a vega64
added 2x separate 140mm case fans (p350x only comes with 1 case fan - ideally a case should have 3)

if you want to run 1440p 144hz, you're going to need a better gpu than a rx580. something like a vega64, really. tbh i'd suggest to shelve plans for that right now unless you've got funds for the screen and gpu

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £913.69 (includes shipping: £15.90)
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@ilc72
I would also change the PSU to a fully modular Seasonic PSU. It’s the best PSU and has decent looking cables and is fully modular,
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seas...plus-gold-modular-power-supply-ca-05q-ss.html
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you know that the antec earthwatts gold pro is a rebranded seasonic focus right?
it's the exact same internals as the seasonic focus plus, except being semi-modular rather than fully modular (and exterior looks)
 
ilc72 said:
@Praz94

I have added my recommendations in your post.
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Thanks ill check it out!

tamzzy said:
better monitor (144hz freesync)
dropped the cpu from 2600x to 2600 - saves £50, but is lower clocked out of the box and has a smaller cooler. best value ryzen right this moment now, though
better mobo (also has inbuilt wifi - swap to msi b450 tomahawk for a cheaper solution if you don't need wifi)
dropped psu wattage to 650w, you don't need a 750w psu unless running a vega64
added 2x separate 140mm case fans (p350x only comes with 1 case fan - ideally a case should have 3)

if you want to run 1440p 144hz, you're going to need a better gpu than a rx580. something like a vega64, really. tbh i'd suggest to shelve plans for that right now unless you've got funds for the screen and gpu

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £913.69 (includes shipping: £15.90)
​

@ilc72

you know that the antec earthwatts gold pro is a rebranded seasonic focus right?
it's the exact same internals as the seasonic focus plus, except being semi-modular rather than fully modular (and exterior looks)
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Okay awesome! Thanks for the help, i chose the initial monitor because it was one of the cheapest i could find, but I may just spend a bit more and get this instead.

Is 650w enough for a psu even I was to overclock the 2600x and the ram? If thats the case then I think 650w is ideal.

Also spending £125 on the mobo, do you think its worth spending a bit extra and just going for a 470 mobo instead? I intend on upgrading certain parts in the future (like the cpu)
 
tamzzy said:
better monitor (144hz freesync)
dropped the cpu from 2600x to 2600 - saves £50, but is lower clocked out of the box and has a smaller cooler. best value ryzen right this moment now, though
better mobo (also has inbuilt wifi - swap to msi b450 tomahawk for a cheaper solution if you don't need wifi)
dropped psu wattage to 650w, you don't need a 750w psu unless running a vega64
added 2x separate 140mm case fans (p350x only comes with 1 case fan - ideally a case should have 3)

if you want to run 1440p 144hz, you're going to need a better gpu than a rx580. something like a vega64, really. tbh i'd suggest to shelve plans for that right now unless you've got funds for the screen and gpu

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £913.6​

@ilc72

you know that the antec earthwatts gold pro is a rebranded seasonic focus right?
it's the exact same internals as the seasonic focus plus, except being semi-modular rather than fully modular (and exterior looks)
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@tamzzy

Yes but the Seasonic units have a great warranty and are fully modular which offers better aesthetics since you can use replacement custom cables down the line.

Also to your point with the GPU then you may as well go for the RX470 as their is one on sale at £150, but as I said now is a bad time to buy with CES round the corner in a couple of weeks. There will be new CPU announcements, possibly releases, from AMD for both CPU and GPU.

@Praz94

How much do you have to spend now, and when do you plan on upgrading to a better monitor?
 
@tamzzy

Push Bequiet 600w if it's still on sale for £60

Might be able to be spent else where etc :)

@Prez94

Have to see if can get flagship x370 for good price , MSI b450 does come with WiFi which is nice but b450 have shot up in price from b350 , almost defeats the point

As for ryzen 3000, can wait as others say, haven't seen any launch date for and cpu Q1 , only Q3 along with x570 and B*** Q4 . Could be wrong as NDA/road maps I get are months ahead and change... A lot .. :(
 
ilc72 said:
@tamzzy

Yes but the Seasonic units have a great warranty and are fully modular which offers better aesthetics since you can use replacement custom cables down the line.

Also to your point with the GPU then you may as well go for the RX470 as their is one on sale at £150, but as I said now is a bad time to buy with CES round the corner in a couple of weeks. There will be new CPU announcements, possibly releases, from AMD for both CPU and GPU.

@Praz94

How much do you have to spend now, and when do you plan on upgrading to a better monitor?
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So is it worth just going for a seasonic psu then if ot performs the same and is cheaper?

I plan on buying a few parts now that i dont plan on changing for a long time (like the case, psu and ram) and things im still slightly unsure about in the coming few weeks/months

I plan to have the build for under 1k hopefully, just waiting on some good deals to see if i can grab a bargain
 
Praz94 said:
Is 650w enough for a psu even I was to overclock the 2600x and the ram? If thats the case then I think 650w is ideal.
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Yes it's enough.

Praz94 said:
spending £125 on the mobo, do you think its worth spending a bit extra and just going for a 470 mobo instead? I intend on upgrading certain parts in the future (like the cpu)
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Who knows really? The msi board I've specced has good enough vrms to support a 2700x, so I suspect the answer is yes, most likely.

ilc72 said:
Yes but the Seasonic units have a great warranty and are fully modular which offers better aesthetics since you can use replacement custom cables down the line.
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Praz94 said:
So is it worth just going for a seasonic psu then if ot performs the same and is cheaper?
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Indeed. I have a focus plus powering my computer. :)
If one is on a budget, I'm not too sure if the full modularity and 3 extra years of warranty is necessarily worth it for the extra outlay.
The semi modular cables are all required to run a computer (ATX and EPS cables) so it's not a case of having extra unwanted cables dangling from the antec unit.
IE: if you have extra budget, get the seasonic focus plus, if you're need to trim the budget, the antec earthwatts gold pro saves a few Bob and has exactly the same performance.

orbitalwalsh said:
Push Bequiet 600w if it's still on sale for £60
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Out of stock, else I would've done so :p
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Have to see if can get flagship x370 for good price , MSI b450 does come with WiFi which is nice but b450 have shot up in price from b350 , almost defeats the point
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Missed this bit in my original wall of quotes :p
Don't forget to tell op that there's a high chance he'll need a bios update for the x370 board for it to run the ryzen 2xxx chips
Last person to get stung by that wasn't too long ago
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/platform-for-a-gradual-144hz-machine.18839912/
 
tamzzy said:
Yes it's enough.


Who knows really? The msi board I've specced has good enough vrms to support a 2700x, so I suspect the answer is yes, most likely.



Indeed. I have a focus plus powering my computer. :)
If one is on a budget, I'm not too sure if the full modularity and 3 extra years of warranty is necessarily worth it for the extra outlay.
The semi modular cables are all required to run a computer (ATX and EPS cables) so it's not a case of having extra unwanted cables dangling from the antec unit.
IE: if you have extra budget, get the seasonic focus plus, if you're need to trim the budget, the antec earthwatts gold pro saves a few Bob and has exactly the same performance.


Out of stock, else I would've done so :p
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I did originally pick a antec psu, so i may just stick with that but instead just make it 650w.

Im just hoping 650 is enough to basically last me forever in all my future builds even if i decide to overclock the cpu, ram and gpu!

Im mostly decided on everything, but the mobo still is a bit hard to choose one! I dont need a wifi one as I plan to have it connected via ethernet, but its just a case of whats the most future proofed and can handle 3000 series chips and maybe even 4000 series ones.

Is it better to get a cheaper x470 or a higher end B450? I feel like the 470 will last ,e a longer time?
 
tamzzy said:
The b450 gaming pro carbon AC that I've suggested has vrm quality equalling mid-range x470 boards
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Ok awesome! Does that mean it will be able to handle overclocking and higher end cpu's like the ryzen 7 X variants better than a lower end 470 mobo?
 
Praz94 said:
Ok awesome! Does that mean it will be able to handle overclocking and higher end cpu's like the ryzen 7 X variants better than a lower end 470 mobo?
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yes.

tamzzy said:
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My basket at Overclockers UK:
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Updated Build!

Just to make sure, this motherboard will be more future proofed than a low end x470 board? If it can handle the new 3000 series and maybe 4000 series chips better than some of the other options, that'll be perfect
 
Praz94 said:
Updated Build!
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ryzen 2600 is the better buy: https://www.techspot.com/article/1618-ryzen-2600x-vs-2600/
TL;DR
Having extensively tested both models this is how we look at it:

  • For most people, the Ryzen 5 2600 at $166 is too great to pass up.
  • If you're on a budget or you plan to overclock and get an aftermarket cooler anyway, the 2600 is your best bet.
  • The 2600 and 2600X are both unlocked CPUs and can be overclocked on inexpensive B350/B450 motherboards.
  • If you’re not planning on overclocking and want an amazing performer out of the box, the 2600X is a sensible option, too.
  • At stock the 2600X is ~7% faster and you get a better cooler, but that's not enough to justify the $50+ price difference.
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also, as i've suggested, you're better off getting a couple extra fans for the case.
 
@Praz94

Wise advice and save yourself the extra £50 by getting the Ryzen 5 2600 and get a really good X470 board.

tamzzy said:
ryzen 2600 is the better buy: https://www.techspot.com/article/1618-ryzen-2600x-vs-2600/

also, as i've suggested, you're better off getting a couple extra fans for the case.
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I would invest the £50 saving in the X470 version of the motherboard, it’s well worth it if you plan on upgrading:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33q-ms.html
 
ilc72 said:
Wise advice and save yourself the extra £50 by getting the Ryzen 5 2600 and get a really good X470 board.
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i'm not to certain why @Praz94 will need an x470 board.
95% of people (enthusiasts included) won't.

one doesn't gain much by getting x470 over b450 - especially when the relevant board in discussion (b450 gaming pro ac) has very decent vrm circuitry already - yes, x470 gaming pro ac has it better, but it's also £40 (30%) more expensive
sli? pointless - only like <1% ever goes dual gpu
more usb ports? doesn't sound like op needs more than what b450 can provide
pci-e lanes? again, i highly doubt that there will be more than 1 expansion card that op will use - and that extension card being a GPU
 
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