I had a few of those old school male teachers - the type who'd happily throw the chalkboard eraser at you - who were always "right" - about half of what they taught me turned out to be a load of rubbish when I was old enough to cover those topics for myself.
Tory London Mayoral hopeful favours male teachers and harsh discipline
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I had a few of those old school male teachers - the type who'd happily throw the chalkboard eraser at you - who were always "right" - about half of what they taught me turned out to be a load of rubbish when I was old enough to cover those topics for myself.
I have literally no idea what coconut means, the fact is this person is using even more crude language than Goldsmith did (though seemingly not as direct against Khan), we're talking about a party that is pretty much killing people via the DWP, they don't care about being subtle. You know maybe he's not a token voice, and genuinely put's himself forward, but the party itself still ultimately has suspicious motives, doing things for Londoners is a distinct distant objective, the first is always to appear to be in control regardless of how awful/sub-par the policies end up being.
Regardless of "whose from where" and how they look, the Tories aren't winning London ever again, which is where my suspicion lies.
Coconut is a derogatory term for a Black person who doesn't behave how you think a Black person should. LabR@t is suggesting that's how you view the guy and based on your comments about him being a "token", I'm inclined to think the same. In what scenario could a Black man join the Conservatives where you would not call him a "token". None, basically, which is the point.
No, my concern wasn't around him being there as a disingenuous act or some wry plan, just that considering the numbers in London, the polls, Brexit focus that is likely to be the case for the next election, that whatever process they had for choosing a candidate to put forward was biased against whatever Goldsmith was. This is a party that power-stance'd at one point, they know how to be told to act and just run on corporate junk to appear professional, i would not put it past them.
They're dumb enough to push it that's for certain, going by the current caliber in Government, i'd actually be interested to see how it'd turn out frankly, though i'd be more interested in if they'd vote for a Muslim Mayor/PM themselves (curious more than anything, happy to be proven wrong about what i currently assume would be the case).
That isn't also to say that particular parts of the left don't push an equally racist/sexist agenda, it's honestly more annoying, but hey-ho the solution isn't the opposite (it's you know being decent).
Tory candidate in preaching the party line shocker
The world has changed since he grew up. My youngest's primary school is all female teachers and also the head. They have had male teachers but both left for other schools. The oldest's secondary school (an all girls grammar) seems more even. Don't think its 50/50, but certainly more male teachers around, the head is female.
Male teachers were the more the norm when I grew up (I'm 51 now). It was 50/50 at the primary school and I doubt it it was more than 20% female at the secondary school.
According to: https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...rce-diversity/school-teacher-workforce/latest the majority of teachers (in England) are female.
Yes we know the worlds changed, he knows it's changed. That's his point. All you've done is say that there are now more women teachers, he's agreeing with you. His point is that this isn't necessarily a good thing.
Do you think it's a good or, instead of absolutes, better that children are not exposed to very many male teachers now?
Also how is that the 'party line' of the Conservative party? If it were, and considering they've been in charge of the country for the last 8 years, don't you think you'd see the trends moving back towards more male teachers? Except we haven't have we? You're just painting the Conservatives to be sexist etc.
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The conservatives have 318 MP's
20 are from ethnic minority backgrounds, which is approx 6%
Labour have 257 MP's
33 are from ethnic minority backgrounds, which is approx 13%
As of the last census, the UK population were 87% White British and the rest was a mixture of ethnic background
As such you could argue that "token" is applicable in the context of the conservatives...or at the very least they are paying lip service to having ethnic minority members. Whereas Labour are exactly in line with representation of the makeup of the country.
Parties don't go out and pick random people off the street and say, "oi you're in the party".
You know people choose to join parties? Not the other way around. This argument that Conservatives are old sexists/racists etc. is top lulz, how many female Labour leaders have there been again? How many female Conservative MPs are there from all women shortlists?
Every industry, every grouping of people etc, in which there is 100+ people has to reflect exactly the percentage demographics of the country at large. A gallant goal indeed! A ******* stupid one too.
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People can chose any party you want, but in the conservatives you go through an assessment process - effective they chose who they want and assign them a seat to contest. Unfortunately it also favours people with lots of personal wealth because it's an expensive process
https://conservativehome.blogs.com/goldlist/2006/08/the_costs_of_be.html
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Because that speech was pretty specifically aimed at black people.
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Sounds like a guy I could vote for if I lived in that hell hole 
Discipline in schools is virtually none existent outside the private sector, and many women are physically disadvantaged when dealing with the intimidation common from feral young males. When I think back to my school days 50% of discipline came from a viper like tongue and 50% because we scared witless of those who were handy with the rod. As for cultural change someone did ask me if the scaffolding on Parliament was indicative of minarets being erected
Discipline in schools is virtually none existent outside the private sector, and many women are physically disadvantaged when dealing with the intimidation common from feral young males. When I think back to my school days 50% of discipline came from a viper like tongue and 50% because we scared witless of those who were handy with the rod. As for cultural change someone did ask me if the scaffolding on Parliament was indicative of minarets being erected 
I believe there are differences between say Military Discipline and that needed in schools, for one thing in the military you're dealing with adults who (at least since the 60's in the UK) have made a conscious decision to put themselves under it...
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Is teaching discipline not a part of a teacher's remit then? Sadly from what I see they believe the answer to be a resounding NO in many cases, or are incapable of delivering it effectively for some reason.
When I went to highs chool in the late 80's -early 90's the split of our 60-ish teachers was about 50/50 with a fairly good spread of male/female teachers in most of the lessons (i.e most lessons had teachers of both genders) and the average age was mid 40's to 50-ish where the youngest teachers were late twenties (a female Science and female English teacher) and the oldest were the 55+ female deputy head and a male History teacher.
This school was next to a my council estate where each "year" had around 200-250 pupils so 1200+ in the entire school and had the "usual" amount of bad behaviour, naughty kids etc but one thing that always stood out was that despite the location and the kids, the school was very disciplined. If you acted out your were usually physically punished and you never wanted your parents to be called to school as you could guarantee your parents would agree with school in 95% of cases.
My friend's younger sister has been a teacher in the same city for 4 years now, the average teachers age is now 30-35, the ratio of male/female is now 20/80 and she complained that calling the parents would lead to the parents sticking up for their feral kids 95% of the time so they rarely bothered any more. She wanted to be a music teacher since she was small child, after 4 years she's quit and never wants to see a school again.
Something has "broken" in modern society. There's a massive increase in the lack of discipline, lack of respect for others and feral behaviour which more and more parents are just allowing to happen because THEY are bad parents. Now, has there been bad kids before - yeap, thats not a new thing - but the levels have visibly increased since "disciplining a child" became such a negative thing to do - the "Oh, I'd never smack my child, thats abuse" etc mentality has left a generation with higher numbers of feral kids than previously and that trend doesn't seem to be reducing.
This school was next to a my council estate where each "year" had around 200-250 pupils so 1200+ in the entire school and had the "usual" amount of bad behaviour, naughty kids etc but one thing that always stood out was that despite the location and the kids, the school was very disciplined. If you acted out your were usually physically punished and you never wanted your parents to be called to school as you could guarantee your parents would agree with school in 95% of cases.
My friend's younger sister has been a teacher in the same city for 4 years now, the average teachers age is now 30-35, the ratio of male/female is now 20/80 and she complained that calling the parents would lead to the parents sticking up for their feral kids 95% of the time so they rarely bothered any more. She wanted to be a music teacher since she was small child, after 4 years she's quit and never wants to see a school again.
Something has "broken" in modern society. There's a massive increase in the lack of discipline, lack of respect for others and feral behaviour which more and more parents are just allowing to happen because THEY are bad parents. Now, has there been bad kids before - yeap, thats not a new thing - but the levels have visibly increased since "disciplining a child" became such a negative thing to do - the "Oh, I'd never smack my child, thats abuse" etc mentality has left a generation with higher numbers of feral kids than previously and that trend doesn't seem to be reducing.
Amusing, when I was at school (in my early 30s), my teachers were both male and female at secondary school, at primary they were mostly female. Regardless of gender, at both schools if you did something wrong you'd get told it was wrong and none of the teachers were miserable ****s who just enjoyed having a go. Scariest teacher I had was at an afterschool italian school, there was this typically italian older woman who could be described only as a "proper Nonna". She was lovely, but you did what you were told and if you didn't you'd know it. She'd make you feel an inch high whilst shouting so loud the whole school heard, with a face like thunder. In the end, no-one dared annoy her.
As for male teachers, wasn't there a report about the lack of male teachers in primary schools and it was down to perception by men and that they'd rather teach secondary schools? I don't think I dreamt that - it'd be a pretty **** dream. Maybe we should hire Arnie for some lessons and stock up on whistles.
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I don't think smacking is the answer, but I do think parents CBA to discipline their kids. I've seen people say if you do x,y,z you can have a treat. Kid doesn't do x,y,z and they still get a treat. Then I've seen kids being told not to do something e.g. changing the channel on a TV, the kid does it anyway, and all you get is "why did you do that?" with no actual punishment for ignoring the parents - again I don't mean a smack. In the above case I ended up turning the tv off and removing the remote telling the kid that they didn't listen so the tv goes off.
As for male teachers, wasn't there a report about the lack of male teachers in primary schools and it was down to perception by men and that they'd rather teach secondary schools? I don't think I dreamt that - it'd be a pretty **** dream. Maybe we should hire Arnie for some lessons and stock up on whistles.
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I don't think smacking is the answer, but I do think parents CBA to discipline their kids. I've seen people say if you do x,y,z you can have a treat. Kid doesn't do x,y,z and they still get a treat. Then I've seen kids being told not to do something e.g. changing the channel on a TV, the kid does it anyway, and all you get is "why did you do that?" with no actual punishment for ignoring the parents - again I don't mean a smack. In the above case I ended up turning the tv off and removing the remote telling the kid that they didn't listen so the tv goes off.
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I've seen a lot of parents who just want an easy life who do seem to let their kids get away with lots. Obviously it's not doing them any favours in the long-run.
How often do you actually see parents disciplining their kids (even raising their voice) when out and about now for instance? It's almost like they are too embarrassed to shout at them in public.
How often do you actually see parents disciplining their kids (even raising their voice) when out and about now for instance? It's almost like they are too embarrassed to shout at them in public.