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TLDR: Best M ATX Motherboard for z390 i9 9900k (Gigabyte Aorus master equivalent)
(Overclocking, temps of VRMs and other important related stuff)

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Hi guys its me again, recently I've gotten some help from this wonderful forum regarding my PSU. Really appreciate the help :) This time however Im asking in regards to a completely new build so I hope you guys can give some advice and voice out any kind of concerns.

I have done the research already and concluded that the motherboard will be the Gigabyte Aorus z390 Master because of VRM and overclocking capabilities.

I was just wondering if there is a M ATX equivalent out there, I wish to have the best and not be fooled by companies like Asus because originally I was gonna buy Asus based on this site
https://appuals.com/5-best-gaming-motherboards-for-intel-core-i9-9900k/
(it ranked Asus as number 1 on the list, luckily I glanced upon the VRM section and saw it said 4 only. I dodged a bullet there.)






Rest of my build as followed
i9 9900k (Hoping to have all cores at atleast 4,7GHz all the time(I hope to have no tdp throttling and Im gonna turn off all c states so it won't downclock)

Corsair Vengence LPX 3200mhz (I don't know much bout ram so I just chose the fastest low profile ram I see) is 3200MHZ the fastest?

Corsair RM850x PSU (seem good I guess idk )

Samsung 860 EVO Sata iii 500gb (I want to buy M.2 SSD because its faster but I don't want to risk it affecting my GPU in anyway because it's using PCIE lanes, correct me if Im wrong)

NH-D15 CPU Cooler( I Don't want water)

RTX2080ti or GTX 1080ti (Im not too interested in the 2 new features of RTX cards so Im still deciding)

Meshify c OR meshify C mini with DEMCiflex filters
(Wish to only clean filters not the stuff inside the case)


MANY MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE
 
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Hi, I am in the process of putting together a i9 9900k system and like yourself was originally considering an ASUS board but after a recommendation from a forum member and a bit of research I am now changing my choice to the Auroras range, just undecided on which particular model at the minute.
 
@mojito

Hi

I would decide on the case first off as that will impact your choice of motherboard. The Meshify C can take an ATX board so that gives you more options than if you went with the smaller Meshify C Mini as that is mATX or ITX.

Some boards can run 4000+ for the Ram but 3200 is fine.

Consider the BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4 as well if you want a nicer looking cooler. Performance is very similar to the D15.

The 1080 ti is on par with the RTX 2080 but it has gone up in price as it is now end of life. The 2080 ti is a fair bit more powerful but costs more money. What monitor are you going to be using ?
 
Disabling C-states produces more heat and higher temps under idle/low load and is certainly going to put more stress on motherboard.
At those clocks you can basically double Intel's claimed TDP for full 100% load consumption.
Gaming use with no 100% all core/thread load would at least keep peak VRM stress lower, but no idling would likely counter that.

Unfortunate those times are far behind, when you could overclock high end CPU fair 30% and still stay under specified TDP.
Now Intel's TDP ratings aren't really even honest full consumption readings for default BIOS settings of most motherboards.


In PSUs Seasonic is bang for buck king, while Corsair charges extra for brand.
Even non-discount price for step higher efficiency model would be cheaper.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/seas...-platinum-modular-power-supply-ca-05w-ss.html


Unless playing at really high resolution 1080Ti/non-Ti 2080 is more reasonable.
You already have there plenty of luxury extra pricing for something which isn't likely going to hold its value that many years.


And unless having tight size limit wouldn't exactly put that hardware into small case.
MicroATX motherboards already have lot more limited choise.
And then there's cooling becoming more challenging, if case is crammed full.
 
@mojito

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...151-ddr4-micro-atx-motherboard-mb-57e-gi.html

half the price of asus

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...151-ddr4-micro-atx-motherboard-mb-6cr-as.html

still features 10+2 phase design - aorus is 12+1 but no mATX versions yet . Would handle 5ghz on 9900k with a good cooler just fine .
Gigabyte new pushign Buildzoid to review their boards after their shocking z370 - why they have turned around and hitting hard with z390 sales globally.

slap in some samsung b-die 3200hz and overclock the ram for run and your away .
 
First of all big Thanks to all!


@N00bbuilder79,

Yea I thought about the Asus 1st cause I don't have the time to research, I was lucky this time. I trusted a site which is probably just showing outdated info I mean it can't possible be the number 1 motherboard if it can't overclock well right? seems its all about the lights and rgb and what not. For my PC I would probably just get a few RGB lights but thats it, it's gotta be distracting at a point so its just not my thing. The looks is also not my thing.

I only care about performance, originally I didn't even want to upgrade my ugly ass Corsair 300r with the holes in the side panel window lol. The Meshify looked so good though I couldn't resist


@lee32uk

Actually I thought for sure I would get the Meshify c ATX version with tempered glass but then I though of getting a smaller case. Idk I guess, based on the replies here I'd want to get the ATX for the Aorus masters because VRMs lol

Regarding the rams I might just check out some 4000+ rams. Hope they aren't ridiculously expensive I just need 32 Gbs. What would you suggest? I interest in the fastest ram and ssd available. If I use M.2 SSD will that affect my GPU in anyway?

The CPU cooler I want the best air cooler available. Currently Im using NH d14 they seem fine but I want the D15 because I might have broken off the fan brackets and zip tied 2 better looking fans to it lol. This time honestly I only care about performance

Lastly Im using just normal 1080 desktop monitor nothing fancy. seems fine but I might get another monitor, what would you suggest? I just need 60FPS none of that 122 166 fps monitors.


@EsaT

That sucks, I wanted a constant 4.7ghz overclock like my current CPU. Idk, if that is not advisable then I have no choice but to enable c states? might as well just a weaker CPU right? I want my CPU to be soldered though it seems only the 9900k is, correct me if Im wrong.

With this build I want to go big because I don't want to have to go though building another PC again because its too much effort to research, but since some companies like to sell sub par goods to consumers I was forced to do the research. :(


@orbitalwalsh

Thanks for the heads up, the VRM compromise VS the space gained with M-ATX, Hmm I have to think about that for now. I originally wanted the Aorus extreme because of the VRMs which are better than the Aorus masters but then I just didn't want such a big PC.

Regarding the Ram I might check out some 4000+ rams. I did not know they existed. Im still using 1333 regular ram lol Honestly my PC is quite old so I don't know much bout the current technology, I've never used an ssd and because my HDD is making weird noises it kinda persuaded me to build a new PC i guess.
 
mojito said:
If I use M.2 SSD will that affect my GPU in anyway?

Lastly Im using just normal 1080 desktop monitor nothing fancy. seems fine but I might get another monitor, what would you suggest? I just need 60FPS none of that 122 166 fps monitors.


With this build I want to go big because I don't want to have to go though building another PC again because its too much effort to research, but since some companies like to sell sub par goods to consumers I was forced to do the research. :(
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At least primary M.2 slots use different PCI-lanes than main PCI-e x16 slot.
Though real world performance difference between NVMe/PCI-e and lot cheaper per GB SATA signaled drives is insignificant in both OS and game loading speed:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Crucial/MX500_M.2_1_TB/8.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Crucial/MX500_M.2_1_TB/13.html


No reason to buy super expensive graphics card for 1920x1080, which is low end in demands for 60fps.
Even couple years old high end card would do well in it.
And anyway graphics card is pretty much the easiest to change part in gaming PC.
So with their serious lack of proper price competition there's even less sense to buy luxury card just for the sake of it.
With Intel planning to join discrete GPU market in 2020 as third player, maybe we'll even have high end card prices back to £500 level then.


And in CPUs you're in for a big disappointment in longevity:
That costs arm and both legs + half the internal organs £500 Intel is going to have less than third the "high end" life time, than £300 Intels bought in early decade!

While Intel's (3 year old design) CPUs currently have advantage, not that it would matter any with 60Hz display, AMD has Intel by the balls for that long term capabilities of platform without motherboard change.
In CES AMD demoed 8c/16t Zen2 engineering sample with fully 1:1 performance against 9900K at lot lower power consumption.
Further "chiplet design" was confirmed, meaning enthusiast level is likely going to be 12 cores/24 threads, dropping those Intels to standard level CPUs by summer.
(16c/32t possible as super high end for that £500 class)

Next-gen consoles will likely come with 8c/16t Zen2 CPU.
That basically gives them PC level CPU, while not having to deal with such resource hogging software bloat overhead as PCs.
Meaning in couple years multiplatter games will be hitting non-high core count PC CPUs heavily.
So only way for longevity in platform is having upgrade path.

Also another architectural improvement, next years's Zen3 CPUs might be drop in update for current AMD motherboards after just BIOS update.
AMD originally said they would use AM4 socket to 2020 and their socket change is very likely planned to happen with change to DDR5 memory...
Whose specification is proceeding at speed of committee and is now as much behind first schedules as Intel's 10nm manufacturing node.


There are simply lot more effective ways to improve overall gaming immersion, than spending lot to parts which aren't going to hold their value.
Like 27" 2560x1440 monitor.
Myself used 30" 2560x1600 for I guess four years, so even that would be downgrade.

Also in most games types sound is important.
So you better have there proper surround home theater setup, if going to put upward £1500 to parts losing most of their value in year or two.
(in case of not having room for speakers ~£200 would give very good setup with headphones, unless you have "non-standard" head shape)
 
If you cant wait to see what ryzen 3*** brings .

Core counts will still be the same 8c/16t) for a while with ryzen

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £985.45 (includes shipping: £12.60)​
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10+2 phase design and will do 5ghz all cores just fine
Quiet and dark :)
 
@EsaT

I totally agree with you but I want to futureproof as much as possible because I don't want to build or even upgrade anytime soon. I also don't really mind about the future value I just want the best for now, the future I will think about it in the future. sry to sound so cliche.

What I hope to get from this build is constant 4.5-4.7 ghz all cores with HT enabled with no speedstep or c states. I know this is an unusual requirement but if I can't get constant on demand speed that would suck to have spent $$ for it. (Thats why I was concerned abt the VRMs)
Regarding the headphones and monitor, i am okay with my current regular sony headphones and dell 1080 monitor but Im sure in the future I will get the best but for now I would like to focus on the engine of the PC


@orbitalwalsh

Thanks for the advice. I just want to be sure I can get the performance I expect so I turn to you guys. I have learnt a lot from members in the forum. I really appreciate it
 
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