The end of the NI Good Friday agreement?

Pawnless Endgame · 20 Jan 2019 at 00:19

A bomb has just gone off over in NI and the DUP is already attributing it as terrorism.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46934277

It will be a shame if it reverses the Good Friday peace treaty. I remember seeing it live on parents' TV around 1998 or 1999 time. I think David Cameron's party has a lot to answer for promising the EU referendum, and also no thanks to the UKIP too for egging everyone and made it happen. Then the snowball effect with Theresa May's government damaging their majority via the 2017 general election which meant that the DUP got involved. It's only a matter of time before the IRA are back at tourist hot spots.

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Rroff · 20 Jan 2019 at 00:40

I hope not.

Rotty · 20 Jan 2019 at 00:43

Pawnless Endgame said:
I think David Cameron's party has a lot to answer for promising the EU referendum, and also no thanks to the UKIP too for egging everyone and made it happen. Then the snowball effect with Theresa May's government damaging their majority via the 2017 general election which meant that the DUP got involved. It's only a matter of time before the IRA are back at tourist hot spots.

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But that is the fault of the IRA not Brexit

robfosters · 20 Jan 2019 at 00:54

Agree with Rotty. You cannot lay the blame for any terrorist atrocities at the door of people who brought about brexit. There’s such a thing as humanity involved as well.

We had this with Jo Cox. It was all the fault of brexit and the right wing that led to her tragic death. It’s politisation of a tragic event that is just morally wrong.

teaboy5 · 20 Jan 2019 at 00:54

Pawnless Endgame said:
A bomb has just gone off over in NI and the DUP is already attributing it as terrorism.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46934277

It will be a shame if it reverses the Good Friday peace treaty. I remember seeing it live on parents' TV around 1998 or 1999 time. I think David Cameron's party has a lot to answer for promising the EU referendum, and also no thanks to the UKIP too for egging everyone and made it happen. Then the snowball effect with Theresa May's government damaging their majority via the 2017 general election which meant that the DUP got involved. It's only a matter of time before the IRA are back at tourist hot spots.

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There has been many a bomb since the GFA I wouldn't worry about it.

Thing is everyone hates on the DUP, but never forget SF/IRA and the crap they pull. One recent example is this little nugget and some people complain about the DUP!

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...-up-belfast-airport-as-teenager-37539020.html

SF/IRA will always say a hard border will bring about violence again, but to me it's pure blackmail. 'No border or we blow things up again'

StriderX · 20 Jan 2019 at 01:06

teaboy5 said:
There has been many a bomb since the GFA I wouldn't worry about it.

Thing is everyone hates on the DUP, but never forget SF/IRA and the crap they pull. One recent example is this little nugget and some people complain about the DUP!

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...-up-belfast-airport-as-teenager-37539020.html

SF/IRA will always say a hard border will bring about violence again, but to me it's pure blackmail. 'No border or we blow things up again'

It was the Ulster terrorists that started most of the fighting...

Destination · 20 Jan 2019 at 03:02

Rotty said:
But that is the fault of the IRA not Brexit

This bomb will be nothing to do with the IRA as they were.
Whatever current name a bunch of hardened idiots give themselves, they are dissidents who never supported the peace process in the first place.

Caracus2k · 20 Jan 2019 at 07:41

The UK can't and should not have the Northern Irish tail wagging the mainland UK dog when it comes to politics.

Northern Ireland already receives a massive subsidy from the rest of the UK and the whole of UK's position in Europe should not solely or mainly be dictated by the wants of the circa 1.875 million people in the region.

I suspect a lot of people in the mainland UK (outside some parts of sectarian Scotland) would not particularly be aggrieved at the thought of a united Ireland but I suspect there are plenty of politicians south of the current border there who would rather not take on the mantle of the six northern counties.

stockhausen · 20 Jan 2019 at 08:12

Unite Eire!

Bring back the 32 Counties!

We don't want those Orange Order loonies running Great Britain.

jsmoke · 20 Jan 2019 at 08:12

Utter dump, proud boys to the extreme.

NoobCannon · 20 Jan 2019 at 09:29

How much cultural enrichment has there been in ireland?

If were gonna blame brexit might aswell get everyone else in the thread aswell

Uther · 20 Jan 2019 at 09:38

If you're going to say SF/IRA you should also say DUP/UDA. Or DUP/UR, or one of the other unionist terrorist organisations. They started it.
Also, this won't be the 'IRA', but another break away group most likely. Maybe even a unionist one.

Terminal_Boy · 20 Jan 2019 at 10:00

stockhausen said:
Unite Eire!

Bring back the 32 Counties!

We don't want those Orange Order loonies running Great Britain.

Back to English rule? Couldn’t agree more!

jsmoke · 20 Jan 2019 at 10:03

Complicated place so much tradition of orangemen, control, marches, struggles etc.

A glimpse into the British Empire of old. Various church teachers in the US call Protestants, Catholic lite. It's possibly true. They could be one of the same.

It didn't help that Ian Paisley preached from the political pulpit. Can't help but like Ian Paisley though.

The internet has changed everything though, you can find out what ever information you need or want too.

dowie · 20 Jan 2019 at 10:04

Rotty said:
But that is the fault of the IRA not Brexit

^^^ This tbh...

It isn't even the IRA anyway, it will be some small bunch of sad losers under the name of the "new IRA" or the "really new continuity real IRA", or "I can't believe it's not the IRA" etc...

jsmoke · 20 Jan 2019 at 10:06

The provisional IRA were a bunch of sad losers also though.

[FnG]magnolia · 20 Jan 2019 at 10:07

jsmoke said:
Complicated place so much tradition of orangemen, control, marches, struggles etc.

A glimpse into the British Empire of old. Various church teachers in the US call Protestants, Catholic lite. It's possibly true. They could be one of the same.

It didn't help that Ian Paisley preached from the political pulpit. Can't help but like Ian Paisley though.

The internet has changed everything though, you can find out what ever information you need or want too.

In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone? ...the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered? ...raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. 'Voodoo' economics.

Orionaut · 20 Jan 2019 at 10:18

Terminal_Boy said:
Back to English rule? Couldn’t agree more!

I wonder just how many southern Irish unionists there actually are. Probably more than one might think!

[FnG]MUGnolia said:
The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. .

I have always called this the "Thatcher Lesson" IE lower the highest rates of marginal taxation, get more revenue from higher rate taxpayers.

jsmoke · 20 Jan 2019 at 10:23

[FnG]MUGnolia said:
In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone? ...the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered? ...raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. 'Voodoo' economics.

Plenty of poor people have lived happy, healthy, contended lives. So why do we need a booming economy to prevent conflict? Anyone?

So you saying as soon as the economy is unhealthy there's automatically conflict, violence? Anyone?

Why would that be then? Anyone?

mmj_uk · 20 Jan 2019 at 10:27

dowie said:
^^^ This tbh...

It isn't even the IRA anyway, it will be some small bunch of sad losers under the name of the "new IRA" or the "really new continuity real IRA", or "I can't believe it's not the IRA" etc...

It's probably some EUphiles or rabid remainers, or bitter Irishmen who realise that No Deal Brexit will have far worse repercussions for Ireland than either the UK or the EU. Either way it's a pretty sad state of affairs when a country has to surrender its sovereignty to a supranational organisation in order stop terrorism, that doesn't sound very voluntary to me.

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