The chap with the speedboat that crashed

I don’t think the law does say that.

Seatbelts are a specific covered in the Road Traffic Act so are irrelevant to unrelated discussion. Duty of care to others as a road user is however a real thing, either through tort law or if a crime is committed, you can be held accountable and /or negligent by the reasonable person test.

This is a useful read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence
 
The guy done himself no favors in terms of PR, he came across as an cowardly arrogant ***** tbh, had he turned for his day in court and explained his actions I can't help but feel his sentence would have been a lot less to the point where you may have got a suspended sentence.
This pretty much. Six years seems a bit harsh but he won't find much sympathy now. And yes, if the roles had been reversed I doubt she would have got six years for what is really just some drunken idiocy, that had terrible consequences.
 
She died, he went on the run to russia for months.

Panic, guilt ? Thats for the courts to find out

Or fear of being sent to jail for a ridiculous amount of time for something that was her fault?

From what I read, she crashed the boat & was an adult so made her own decision to pilot the boat.
 
Seatbelts are a specific covered in the Road Traffic Act so are irrelevant to unrelated discussion. Duty of care to others as a road user is however a real thing, either through tort law or if a crime is committed, you can be held accountable and /or negligent by the reasonable person test.

This is a useful read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence
That doesn’t change the fact it’s a passenger not drivers responsibility to buckle up.
 
And this is exactly what has happened in this case. They've convicted Sleazey even thought he has no legally held duty of care, unlike the others who have been convicted of this offence, and how do you decide on his negligence as opposed to hers?
A duty of care can arise in a far broader range of circumstances than professional activity, her contributory negligence (if any) could mitigate against his sentence but wouldn't absolve him of responsibility, and the prosecution would have had to convince the judge that a duty of care could exist before the judge would allow the jury to decide if it did.

I'm not saying a mistake wasn't made - it does happen and he has been granted leave to appeal, which is unusual as the vast majority of applications are rejected - but the court must have been satisfied that a duty of care could exist in these circumstances.
 
If you allow a child to drive a boat yes.

But let’s not forget the responsibilities that she had. As a responsible adult she shouldn’t of driven it. Her driving it caused the boat to crash and sadly the loss of her life and nearly his. She was effectively the drink driver here.

This is an unfortunate tale and a lesson for us all but I wouldn’t lay blame at either door only to say it was death by misadventure.
The man was effectively acting as the instructor/supervisor.
If you speed or are caught driving dangerously in a car as a learner whilst under the supervision of a qualified driver, guess who can also get the blame...*
Or if you let someone operate heavy machinery in a factory without giving them the training and supervision to ensure they are safe to operate it (let alone if you are standing next to them allowing them to use it in a manner you know is dangerous but they may not realise) - it's one of the reasons most companies document who is trained to use potentially dangerous equipment and will stop people who are using it in an unsafe manner when they become aware of it (or at least should do if they don't want to be left open to prosecution under H&S laws, or at the minimum find insurance much harder to get).

As the person who owned or hired the boat and who let a completely inexperienced person use it, he had a responsibility to monitor and supervise it.
The fact he'd got a record of breaking the law/acting like a pratt in boats in the past and had been warned about his behaviour would have weighed quite heavily in the eyes of the law, and almost certainly the jury, as it establishes a pattern of irresponsible behaviour in the boat and a disregard for the safety of others.

Oddly enough in most areas of the law if you've got a record of doing something repeatedly despite being warned by officials that you were breaking the law/putting people in danger, the law tends to be a lot harsher on you when someone does get hurt.


*I have vague memories of my instructor (going back over 20 years) mentioning the fact that one of his friends had got points/a telling off by a traffic cop because he'd not noticed his pupil had gone over the limit during a lesson.
 
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
Great comment.
Mind-readers will probably (not) be fascinated ;)

As it happens, I believe that I heard that the unfortunate girl's father works in the prison service and the fleeing man claims to have been worried that the father's "friends" might have given him a hard time. I am quite sure that he has absolutely nothing to worry about on that front ;)
 
The man was effectively acting as the instructor/supervisor.
If you speed or are caught driving dangerously in a car as a learner whilst under the supervision of a qualified driver, guess who can also get the blame...*
Or if you let someone operate heavy machinery in a factory without giving them the training and supervision to ensure they are safe to operate it (let alone if you are standing next to them allowing them to use it in a manner you know is dangerous but they may not realise) - it's one of the reasons most companies document who is trained to use potentially dangerous equipment and will stop people who are using it in an unsafe manner when they become aware of it (or at least should do if they don't want to be left open to prosecution under H&S laws, or at the minimum find insurance much harder to get).

As the person who owned or hired the boat and who let a completely inexperienced person use it, he had a responsibility to monitor and supervise it.
The fact he'd got a record of breaking the law/acting like a pratt in boats in the past and had been warned about his behaviour would have weighed quite heavily in the eyes of the law, and almost certainly the jury, as it establishes a pattern of irresponsible behaviour in the boat and a disregard for the safety of others.

Oddly enough in most areas of the law if you've got a record of doing something repeatedly despite being warned by officials that you were breaking the law/putting people in danger, the law tends to be a lot harsher on you when someone does get hurt.


*I have vague memories of my instructor (going back over 20 years) mentioning the fact that one of his friends had got points/a telling off by a traffic cop because he'd not noticed his pupil had gone over the limit during a lesson.
I disagree and things would be very different if the roles were reversed or if he hadn’t fled.

Basically two ‘kids’ got drunk and did stupid things. She didn’t have to drive it, for all we know she could have wrestled the controls and insisted on having a go. But she did drink drive and this what happens when you drink drive.
 
The man was effectively acting as the instructor/supervisor.
If you speed or are caught driving dangerously in a car as a learner whilst under the supervision of a qualified driver, guess who can also get the blame...*
You might as well stop there - there is no such thing as a 'learner driver' or 'instructor' in a boat, nor do you need L plates and to pass a test to pilot one. You're comparing apples with oranges.
 
I disagree and things would be very different if the roles were reversed or if he hadn’t fled.

Basically two ‘kids’ got drunk and did stupid things. She didn’t have to drive it, for all we know she could have wrestled the controls and insisted on having a go. But she did drink drive and this what happens when you drink drive.

Is there any actual evidence she was driving? The only thing I can see in checking a couple of those articles is that his story is she was driving, and that there is a video showing him speeding and her as a passenger. This seems to be used as fact on here and from the articles all I see is someone who stands to potentially get away with reckless driving causing a death stating she was driving. Maybe she was, maybe someone caught the crash on camera, I don't know, I just didn't see anything obviously proving this in that or the other articles.
 
I actually used to work with a guy around 2 years ago that did something similar to this guy, he was out on a lake in a speedboat drinking with a girl and he somehow managed to run her over with the boat. I never bothered to learn the ins and outs of it as the guy was an absolute a hole and I didn't want anything to do with him.
 
Is there any actual evidence she was driving? The only thing I can see in checking a couple of those articles is that his story is she was driving, and that there is a video showing him speeding and her as a passenger. This seems to be used as fact on here and from the articles all I see is someone who stands to potentially get away with reckless driving causing a death stating she was driving. Maybe she was, maybe someone caught the crash on camera, I don't know, I just didn't see anything obviously proving this in that or the other articles.
That what I was thinking there seems to no proof that she was driving apart from his word from what I read..
 
Is there any actual evidence she was driving? The only thing I can see in checking a couple of those articles is that his story is she was driving, and that there is a video showing him speeding and her as a passenger. This seems to be used as fact on here and from the articles all I see is someone who stands to potentially get away with reckless driving causing a death stating she was driving. Maybe she was, maybe someone caught the crash on camera, I don't know, I just didn't see anything obviously proving this in that or the other articles.
Well we are reliant on the press for our ‘facts’.

Having had direct experience of the press printing ‘black’ as ‘white’ Its hardly the most reliable source. So no we can’t be sure.
 
Case has been getting some air time today.

Headlines are all reading "speedboat killer gets extra 6 months," etc. Sister of dead girl saying, "He killed our sister blah blah blah."

Seems that if you're a woman at the controls of a boat, you cannot be responsible for crashing. The nearest bloke will instead take the blame.
 
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