Holocaust Memorial Day poll

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According to a survey of over 2,000 people, 5% cent of UK adults don’t believe the Holocaust really happened and 8% say the scale of the Holocaust has been exaggerated.
Really? Do this 5% also believe that nobody has ever landed on the moon, that Elvis is still alive and running a Wendys somewhere in Texas and that Kindly Uncle Joe was indeed kind and didn't bring about the death of tens of millions of Russians?

As Disraeli supposedly suggested, lies, damned lies, and statistics can be abused to prove almost anything. Who were these 2,000 people? Under which stone have they been living?
 
It's 100 people out of those 2000 that claimed it never happened, not all of them. But yes, 100 idiots.

I'm neutral as I haven't studied it however what's the most compelling evidence it did happen with the numbers of 5-6million, a few WW2 photos of very starved looking people?

You don't need to write a book either. Think bulletpoints.
 
It only serves to create further animosity when one particular group try to act like they were the only ones damaged from WW2

I'm sure people just deny it out of spite for that reason

55million civilians died during WW2, not just 6,000,000 Jews
 
I think 6 million Jews is probably a good estimate of the amount that died during WW2, I don't think 6 million were shot/gassed, I think some of that figure probably died due to disease and starvation in the camps, especially when conditions worsened later in the war. I have no doubt that Jews were specifically targeted as a group by the Nazi's, especially the Waffen SS, and murdered in very large numbers. I think the Holocaust has been politicised to an extent; i.e. more emphasis is placed on the Jewish deaths than the deaths of other groups. This seems to be probably due to pro Israeli groups using it as a shield for any criticism of Israel's policies in the Middle East.
 
I'm neutral as I haven't studied it however what's the most compelling evidence it did happen with the numbers of 5-6million, a few WW2 photos of very starved looking people?

You don't need to write a book either. Think bulletpoints.

For the most part, the typical holocaust victim was not starved to death.

It was the forced laborers/Concentration camp inmates who suffered that fate (Note Concentration camp =/= Death camp. They sometimes operated together, but they served different functions and operated in very different ways. Most death camp victims were dead and ashes within hours of arrival, they didn't have time to starve)

Also, it needs to be remembered that by the end of WW2 all of Germany was starving. Of course the inmates of labor camps were going to be on the bottom of the list for food rations Many of those starving people at the end of the war weren't starving as a result of specific policy. They were staving simply because there was no food.

As an aside, I have always felt that the analysis of the victims of the V2 program always misses a very big point.

As I recall, V2's killed around 6000 in attacks. around 10,000 died in the slave factories that built them.

But on a wider scale. Both these will be dwarfed by the fact that the alcohol fuel for each rocket launch required some 30 tons of potatoes to manufacture.

The entire V2 development program must have diverted some 250,000 tons of potatoes from food in to industrial alcohol.

I wonder how many people all across Germany and even further afield starved to death as a result of this?
 
But that's 3 million people...

Possibly. I dislike taking small sample sizes too seriously.

I'm neutral as I haven't studied it however what's the most compelling evidence it did happen with the numbers of 5-6million, a few WW2 photos of very starved looking people?

You don't need to write a book either. Think bulletpoints.

All the evidence points to the fact that it did indeed happen, but as for their methods of determining the actual number of victims that were gassed and whether that figure is accurate, I have absolutely no idea. I did see an album of hundreds of newspaper clippings once that repeatedly used that 6 million figure in reference to the Jews long before WWII had even started, which I thought was rather odd. Almost made me think it was just some sort of symbolic number that they went with (assuming the articles were real, of course). :confused:

Then there's that certain Rudolf Hess quote: "Certainly, I signed a statement that I killed two and a half million Jews. But I could just as well have said that it was five million Jews. There are certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is true or not." Again, I'm not sure if that's real or not.

Either way, I don't think the exact figure really matters all that much, whether it's 6 million, 5 million or even 4 million. All that matters now is that we learn never to let it happen to anyone ever again.
 
Then there's that certain Rudolf Hess quote: "Certainly, I signed a statement that I killed two and a half million Jews. But I could just as well have said that it was five million Jews. There are certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is true or not." Again, I'm not sure if that's real or not.

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Would be strange if it was.

Hess flew to Britain in May 1941 and the Wannsee conference didn't take place until Jan 1942!

Incidentally, I have always felt that Hess's war crimes trial and subsequent incarceration stretched the point so far that it questions the validity of many of the charges made against other defendants, and indeed their prosecution in the first place.

:confused:
 
Cambodia? Rwanda?

Reminding people about what the Nazis did doesn't appear to have prevented the same thing happening again :(

Good point. Humans are real evil ***** sometimes unfortunately. Thankfully it isn't all too common.

Would be strange if it was.

Hess flew to Britain in May 1941 and the Wannsee conference didn't take place until Jan 1942!

Incidentally, I have always felt that Hess's war crimes trial and subsequent incarceration stretched the point so far that it questions the validity of many of the charges made against other defendants, and indeed their prosecution in the first place.

:confused:

Oops, wrong person. I meant Rudolf Höss!
 
Before the arrival of the Web, getting published was quite difficult and getting into mass circulation even harder. As a result, evidence of <enter conspiracy theory here> didn't have a chance to really circulate. Today, anyone can publish anything without having to have any kind of editorial oversight or evidence so we have vast amounts of phony evidence for whatever you choose to believe.

It's a ironic and tragic that an invention designed to make it easier for scientists to publish and share their work has become a cesspool of unchallenged and unsubstantiated BS.
 
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