Does he actually have a ‘hate incident’ on his record, or is it just recorded in the general crime statistics?
Indeed. If it was commonplace it wouldn’t be news. However, it does appear to be a waste of time and resources for all involved.
The thought police, coming to a local force near you 2019.
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Does he actually have a ‘hate incident’ on his record, or is it just recorded in the general crime statistics?
Indeed. If it was commonplace it wouldn’t be news. However, it does appear to be a waste of time and resources for all involved.
Only because they wouldn't have known about it or if they didn't understand the consequences. In most ways it would have been worse if they hadn't spoken to the person in question because then he wouldn't have had any form of defence against the attack. At least now he can point to the media coverage if he has a chance to do so and that might give him some defence. On a social level, it's also as bad either way.
The issues are (1) inflating "hate crime" stats for the purposes of promoting authoritarianism and irrational prejudice and discrimination and (2) people being recorded as being accused of "hate crime" and thus presumed guilty of hate crime for no good reason. The details of how those things are done are far less important than the fact that they are being done.
Well the reaction from the force itself and from the PCC seems to indicate that they're fine with it. It is news because it is a new thing that people aren't necessarily OK with, this certainly isn't the only incident and there are various investigations of non-crime "hate" on social media that appear to be a complete waste of time and active encouragement from some forces to report stuff even if it isn't a crime.
For example in response to a Daily Mail article about a trans kid at a secondary school - this police twitter account actively encouraged the public to make reports via 101, they've already seen the article yet they seem to want to actively encourage people to waste more time reporting a non-crime:
Police post pics of themselves with painted nails, quite obviously results in some mockery... result - if you were offended then please report it to us:
I'm surprised 4chan or any other similar sites haven't taken advantage of this and absolutely bombarded 101 with ridiculous complaints. 
You could find a million tweets saying crap about white people. Just get a few hundred people to keep reporting the whole lot over and over until the police get utterly sick of it.
You could find a million tweets saying crap about white people. Just get a few hundred people to keep reporting the whole lot over and over until the police get utterly sick of it.
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The statement is laughable, does not address the actions of the officer in the slightest.
If I've triggered some defensiveness on his part by criticising this behaviour, I'd suggest the more productive response would be for the police to change their behaviour rather than attack the critics. But that's just based on the behaviour being stupid and wrong.
He'll have this on the police database attached to his name.
Well firstly, I'm intrigued as to whether you apply that to any other 'social ill'. I'll look forward to similar arguments from you being put at investigations into islamophobia, racism, political corruption, et al. Secondly, this is something that is growing and that's kind of the point - we're worried about where we're going as much as where we are. Your argument above, true or not, misses the point.
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Well that's one of the signs of a police state. Laws that are wide enough and pervasive enough that you can arrest almost anyone, and enforced selectively against those you dislike. It's basically a tool of authoritarianism: make everyone guilty and then you can punish at your own discretion.[/QUOTE]
Genius!
This is one of the things I have always disliked about the USA.
They just love their catch all "We will get you because we can" Laws.
For example, "Federal Mail Fraud" is an absolute Lulu!
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This is one of the things I have always disliked about the USA.
They just love their catch all "We will get you because we can" Laws.
For example, "Federal Mail Fraud" is an absolute Lulu!
At least they actually have freedom of speech though and are not out arresting people for saying "offensive" things on the internet.
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If you actually read my posts you'd see that I too think the officer overstepped (if it indeed it happened as suggested). I just don't think this is the thin end of the wedge as you do. You're clearly looking at media and social media where a minority of loud voices are making you think that there's a war against socially conservative views, feeling defensive and trying to counter it with your own loud voices. It's all unnecessary.
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I think you’ve quoted h4rm0ny and attributed it to me somehow.
In any case, I agree with you.
It’s like all of these things that get certain members of GD rilled up: SJWs, toxic masculinity, Cultural Marxism etc.
I don’t necessarily agree with those positions, I understand why people might be concerned by them, I just think they’re exaggerating the significance of these incidents.
I was thinking about the OP earlier and really, the police are damned if the do and damned if they don’t. If this guy went out and assaulted a Trans person (I’m not saying he would, but if he did), people would be crying “you knew he was a threat, just look at his social media”…
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As already pointed out, police officers are being sent on courses teaching them scientific absurdities in service of an ideology. This is a real thing and not an isolated incident by definition. You think the police officer overstepped his bounds? He was taught to do so by first teaching him misinformation and secondly by government policy which states that possible hate crimes MUST be followed through on which isn't the case for other (real) crimes. Ergo, it is deliberate policy to prioritise "hate crime" over other crime. These are systemic issues, not "minority loud voices" being over-represented by the media. And if you don't see that there's a war against "conservative views" as you term them, then you're wilfully blind because the rest of us can see it and experience it often enough.
Not that you will believe or accept this to be true. You'll just demand ever more examples and dismiss each one in turn. First you call it a lie. If it's not a lie, it's an isolated case. If there are more cases, they're still not representative. If they're representative then they're a passing fad, if they're growing then it's a slippery slope fallacy. If they've become the norm, well that's just the way things are why don't you accept it.
This is the standard response pattern.
True, As I recall, when Nick Griffin was on trial for saying nasty things about Muslims (At a private dinner no less, this wasn't a public speech)
US commentators were incredulous that the UK government could actually take somebody to court over the matter.
The implication was that had Griffin chosen to do so, he could probabally have applied to the US for political asylum, and got it!
If that's the case then it's even more ridiculous.
Eh? Casual racism is commonplace and tends not to make it into the news. We usually hear about racist incidents if they're big/significant. Political corruption is rife, but it makes the news because we hold politicians to a higher standard than 'the average man in the street' and, because of their position, they are able to leverage more money and/or power than most citizens, so the scale of the corruption is usually bigger. I don't think there's any contradiction in views here.
It's these uniform avatars they assign to all of us. At the very least, we should be able to select which sex we want.
Perhaps so. But I believe there is plenty of support to show there is a creeping agenda at work here which many of us have identified and reject. As I pointed out to Burnsley above, we're not reliant on media examples to support that. There are real programs and efforts we can point to as well as cultural double-standards that have become pervasive.
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Once Mr Miller had established that he wasn't being accused of a crime, would he have been perfectly within his rights to have terminated the phone call there and then?
Personally, I DO see this as a total waste of both the police's time and Mr Miller's. This pathetic pandering to people's feelings needs to be put back into perspective and, genuinely no pun intended, we need to recover the lost art of how to 'man-up'. If police resources are stretched - and for the record I'm not denying that they are - then maximise the use of those resources by doing what the police were originally intended to do, namely keeping the streets safe. FFS - what the hell happened to people having a) common bloody sense and b) a backbone?
Personally, I DO see this as a total waste of both the police's time and Mr Miller's. This pathetic pandering to people's feelings needs to be put back into perspective and, genuinely no pun intended, we need to recover the lost art of how to 'man-up'. If police resources are stretched - and for the record I'm not denying that they are - then maximise the use of those resources by doing what the police were originally intended to do, namely keeping the streets safe. FFS - what the hell happened to people having a) common bloody sense and b) a backbone?