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HTAFC777

HTAFC777

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Hi all, I’ve been out of the PC game for a long time and am potentially looking to get back into it. I will be running the PC through a 50” 4K TV which I already have. I’ve been using my XBOX ONE X so far, but consoles don’t have much in the way of flight simulation games and PC will also allow me to upgrade my car / flight simulation hardware in the future.

I would need a case, mouse and keyboard as well, but not fussed about gaming ones as I will be using steering wheel / joystick.

Budget, very good question and is why I have come to you experts. Is what I want achieveable for £1500 or ideally less?

I know for what I want, I will need a fairly punchy GPU!

Cheers all.
 
@HTAFC777

X-plane eats GPU like no tomorrow and can eat VRM up !!! also all flight sims are very single/dual core bound!!! need speed and IPC strength , regardless as what Resolution your playing at !

spent a while looking through X-Plane and other flight sim forums before on here for users wanting builds, will still always recommend Intel for CPU and hard overclock!

good news in the future is a few are looking to move to DX12/Vulkan which will help multi core set ups in the coming future !

went for silent case . Gigabyte Z390 is the best for budget price and better then most z390/70 boards anyway . also UK RMA. EVAG RTX 2080 for power and 8GB vram .
i5 9600k for high clock speed, should be able to land 5ghz all core speed though !
selected corsair parts, specially PSU as high quality and corsair rep has recently mentioned about their repair/rma here. Basically they just replace with a brand new unit and RMA team is uk based like Gigabyte :)
so products tad more expensive but see why now

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,508.12 (includes shipping: £13.20)


rought guide, rtx 2080 is same power as gtx 1080ti .

x-plane is all about settings you select so you can see load here is all over the place with CPU and GPU


rtx 2070 vs vega 64 - bare in mind 1440p and not 4k

rtx cards do have USB C port on them for Future head sets as well :)

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orbitalwalsh said:
@HTAFC777

X-plane eats GPU like no tomorrow and can eat VRM up !!! also all flight sims are very single/dual core bound!!! need speed and IPC strength , regardless as what Resolution your playing at !

spent a while looking through X-Plane and other flight sim forums before on here for users wanting builds, will still always recommend Intel for CPU and hard overclock!

good news in the future is a few are looking to move to DX12/Vulkan which will help multi core set ups in the coming future !

went for silent case . Gigabyte Z390 is the best for budget price and better then most z390/70 boards anyway . also UK RMA. EVAG RTX 2080 for power and 8GB vram .
i5 9600k for high clock speed, should be able to land 5ghz all core speed though !
selected corsair parts, specially PSU as high quality and corsair rep has recently mentioned about their repair/rma here. Basically they just replace with a brand new unit and RMA team is uk based like Gigabyte :)
so products tad more expensive but see why now

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,508.12 (includes shipping: £13.20)


rought guide, rtx 2080 is same power as gtx 1080ti .

x-plane is all about settings you select so you can see load here is all over the place with CPU and GPU


rtx 2070 vs vega 64 - bare in mind 1440p and not 4k

rtx cards do have USB C port on them for Future head sets as well :)

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Thanks for all the info, great stuff!

I’m thinking about playing Digital Combat Sim / Project Cars mainly to start with, trying to make use of the VR. The VR content looks amazing.

I used to invest heavily in FSX, but would have to start all over again with probably P3D in the future.

There are a couple of discounted pre-built systems on the website under the 4K section, but not sure about the PSU and cooling choices.

All help gratefully appreciated!
 
good review here for project cars

https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/software/project_cars_2_pc_performance_review/11

rtx 2080 would hit 45 Min frame rate and 55 average , so what you need for 4k - better fps then console and looking better !


also intel has the lead with clock speed .

HTAFC777 said:
Thanks for all the info, great stuff!



There are a couple of discounted pre-built systems on the website under the 4K section, but not sure about the PSU and cooling choices.

All help gratefully appreciated!
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to play true 4K, will need RTX 2080 at least , Vega 64 also does well . rtx 2080ti is the first true 4k card for ANY game at 60fps - but costs a bomb !



My basket at Overclockers UK:
  • 1 x OcUK Gaming Zenith Gaming PC - AMD Ryzen 7 2700X @ 4.3GHz Boost, Vega 56 ***THREE FREE GAMES*** = £1,464.04
    • Graphics Card:Gigabyte Radeon RX VEGA 64 WindForce OC 8GB HBM2 PCI-Express Graphics Card
    • Primary Solid State Drive:TeamGroup 480GB L5 Lite SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 3D NAND Solid State Drive
    • WIFI:Unwanted
    • Operating System:Microsoft Windows 10 Home Advanced - Systems
    • Security Software:Unwanted
    • Case:Bitfenix Enso Midi Tower RGB Gaming Case - White Tempered Glass
    • Memory:Gigabyte Aorus RGB 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C16 3200MHz Dual/Quad Channel Kit
Total: £1,478.14 (includes shipping: £14.10)​
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would def upgrade the PSU ! Formula 650w very least !
 
orbitalwalsh said:
good review here for project cars

https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/software/project_cars_2_pc_performance_review/11

rtx 2080 would hit 45 Min frame rate and 55 average , so what you need for 4k - better fps then console and looking better !


also intel has the lead with clock speed .



to play true 4K, will need RTX 2080 at least , Vega 64 also does well . rtx 2080ti is the first true 4k card for ANY game at 60fps - but costs a bomb !



My basket at Overclockers UK:
  • 1 x OcUK Gaming Zenith Gaming PC - AMD Ryzen 7 2700X @ 4.3GHz Boost, Vega 56 ***THREE FREE GAMES*** = £1,464.04
    • Graphics Card:Gigabyte Radeon RX VEGA 64 WindForce OC 8GB HBM2 PCI-Express Graphics Card
    • Primary Solid State Drive:TeamGroup 480GB L5 Lite SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 3D NAND Solid State Drive
    • WIFI:Unwanted
    • Operating System:Microsoft Windows 10 Home Advanced - Systems
    • Security Software:Unwanted
    • Case:Bitfenix Enso Midi Tower RGB Gaming Case - White Tempered Glass
    • Memory:Gigabyte Aorus RGB 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C16 3200MHz Dual/Quad Channel Kit
Total: £1,478.14 (includes shipping: £14.10)
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would def upgrade the PSU ! Formula 650w very least !
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I can’t seem to be able to upgrade the PSU before purchase, so I’m assuming I would have to purchase another or can I contact Overclockers and have them upgrade it during the build?

Do you think there is adequate in case cooling in this build and is that the one to go for vs the intel / RTX offer? I’ve built PC’s in the past (very distant) so it’s not beyond me to do the same, but the on-site warranty etc provided by a pre-built is appealing.

I’d drop windows 10 and sort myself out a copy, so there covers the cost of the PSU upgrade.

I’ve read in another thread about making sure the case has a front HDMI for VR, is it that important in people’s experiences?

Thanks again! I don’t have money to burn (like most) and want to make an informed decision.
 
HTAFC777 said:
I can’t seem to be able to upgrade the PSU before purchase, so I’m assuming I would have to purchase another or can I contact Overclockers and have them upgrade it during the build?

Do you think there is adequate in case cooling in this build and is that the one to go for vs the intel / RTX offer? I’ve built PC’s in the past (very distant) so it’s not beyond me to do the same, but the on-site warranty etc provided by a pre-built is appealing.

I’d drop windows 10 and sort myself out a copy, so there covers the cost of the PSU upgrade.

I’ve read in another thread about making sure the case has a front HDMI for VR, is it that important in people’s experiences?

Thanks again! I don’t have money to burn (like most) and want to make an informed decision.
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self building, you can get a lot more for your money most of the time ! rtx 2080 hammers the vega 64 in terms of raw power .

Front HDMI ports only worked with Aorus cards from Gigabyte and they were the older GTX 1*** Models. new one didn't have them with more to USB C which is a shame as cases now starting to have USB C port on them .

for PSU change it'll have to be calling them up and ordering/changing at same time .

3 yr colelct warranty is great, but not sure were you stand for individual component warranty, think you lose them as its under a system build .

nice 3 games with the Vega 64 card though !
 
orbitalwalsh said:
self building, you can get a lot more for your money most of the time ! rtx 2080 hammers the vega 64 in terms of raw power .

Front HDMI ports only worked with Aorus cards from Gigabyte and they were the older GTX 1*** Models. new one didn't have them with more to USB C which is a shame as cases now starting to have USB C port on them .

for PSU change it'll have to be calling them up and ordering/changing at same time .

3 yr colelct warranty is great, but not sure were you stand for individual component warranty, think you lose them as its under a system build .

nice 3 games with the Vega 64 card though !
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So CPU wise, the more cores the better.

Looking at the benchmarks I’ve seen, the RTX 2080 is the way to go and apparently, Project Cars favours Intel / Nvidia, thanks for finding that review!

The 2080Ti seems a beast, but not worth it at that price point vs the 2080 in my eyes imho, of course that is subjective. I am probably completely wrong on that!

Thanks for pointing that out re front HDMI.

To tell the truth, I’m not really bothered re the games with the Vega, not my cup of tea to be fair.

Forza, Project cars, Assetto Corsa and flight sim content is more my thing. Battlefield looks pretty good too from what I’ve seen.

I purchased my last PC from here in 08 I think, was impressed with the build, but I haven’t used it in years.

Cheers
 
HTAFC777 said:
So CPU wise, the more cores the better.

Cheers
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not always . Most older Games and Sims support Strongest single core performance . this is normally down to the engine used/coding along with DX or OpenCL used . Some flight sims will be moving to vulkan which will finally support more then 4 cores but 4 cores is the max that has been optimised for X-Plane/FSX currently .

Intel has the strong IPC currently so even at same clock speed as ryzen, it'll beat it , though seems AMD version of hyperthreading is slightly stronger .

Core rule with gaming is more cores are stronger then more threads, so this explains i7 8700k 6 core 12 threads being slightly beating but i7 9700k 8 core 8 thread chip.

the 2080ti is a jump in performance , stretches its legs in 4k gaming or 5/8k VR which is A MUST! but then the head sets and card are very expensive .

you can have the above list built be OCUK at a price of course, normally £50-100 on top with warranty. ( a sale is a sale and they are there to make money from you, not having you build it makes them money, even is a custom list)
 
orbitalwalsh said:
not always . Most older Games and Sims support Strongest single core performance . this is normally down to the engine used/coding along with DX or OpenCL used . Some flight sims will be moving to vulkan which will finally support more then 4 cores but 4 cores is the max that has been optimised for X-Plane/FSX currently .

Intel has the strong IPC currently so even at same clock speed as ryzen, it'll beat it , though seems AMD version of hyperthreading is slightly stronger .

Core rule with gaming is more cores are stronger then more threads, so this explains i7 8700k 6 core 12 threads being slightly beating but i7 9700k 8 core 8 thread chip.

the 2080ti is a jump in performance , stretches its legs in 4k gaming or 5/8k VR which is A MUST! but then the head sets and card are very expensive .

you can have the above list built be OCUK at a price of course, normally £50-100 on top with warranty. ( a sale is a sale and they are there to make money from you, not having you build it makes them money, even is a custom list)
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Thanks for the guidance, it is really appreciated.

£1100 plus for a single graphics card is a whole heap of cash, especially as in many cases the 2080 can maintain 60fps 4K from what I have seen, with the odd dip below. But quite obviously the ti is a superior card and perf is very much game dependent.

I am a sucker for buy once and get it right, but I think I have to decide what I really want to achieve. My TV that I will use is only a budget 4K model, it does have HDR but not very well implemented. It’s a good tv however for the money, it’s a Hisense A6250. Couldn’t justify more for pure gaming.
 
HTAFC777 said:
Thanks for the guidance, it is really appreciated.

£1100 plus for a single graphics card is a whole heap of cash, especially as in many cases the 2080 can maintain 60fps 4K from what I have seen, with the odd dip below. But quite obviously the ti is a superior card and perf is very much game dependent.

I am a sucker for buy once and get it right, but I think I have to decide what I really want to achieve. My TV that I will use is only a budget 4K model, it does have HDR but not very well implemented. It’s a good tv however for the money, it’s a Hisense A6250. Couldn’t justify more for pure gaming.
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its the imput lag that will effect more then ever . guessing you havent seen the news Nvidia caved and and will allow freesync monitors to run g-sync enabled cards :)

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-supporting-nvidia-g-sync-read-more.18842747/

hopefully ultra wide make their way there, then you'll have a proper set up in the future whilst saving £200+ :D

but yeah, x plane theres tens of tens of options for graphics and stuff, a lot will impact gpu or cpu . its bit of a mine field and same can eat 11gb + of VRam

as a heads up, can you hold till the 7th ? 7nm Vega ii or Vega 64 + 15% performance power is coming out. meant to be between 2070/2080 price point ....
 
orbitalwalsh said:
its the imput lag that will effect more then ever . guessing you havent seen the news Nvidia caved and and will allow freesync monitors to run g-sync enabled cards :)

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-supporting-nvidia-g-sync-read-more.18842747/

hopefully ultra wide make their way there, then you'll have a proper set up in the future whilst saving £200+ :D

but yeah, x plane theres tens of tens of options for graphics and stuff, a lot will impact gpu or cpu . its bit of a mine field and same can eat 11gb + of VRam

as a heads up, can you hold till the 7th ? 7nm Vega ii or Vega 64 + 15% performance power is coming out. meant to be between 2070/2080 price point ....
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I can hold on, in no real rush. Especially given I will have to also buy a VR headset and a HOTAS joystick (probably A10 Warthog). I say have to, but I want the best immersion I can get for the money :D

Cheers
 
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,692.02 (includes shipping: £14.10)


Is it worthwhile upgrading the SSD to this Samsung and upgrading the case to this or something similar?
The general consensus online appears to be to go for this CPU as kindly suggested earlier.

All help very much appreciated!​
 
check out bequiet base 601 and 801 for quite cases

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/be-quiet-silent-base-801-midi-tower-case-orange-window-ca-12r-bq.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/be-quiet-silent-base-601-midi-tower-case-black-window-ca-12h-bq.html

do them in black/orange and silver - better sound dampening then R6.

if your GAMING ONLY! then just grab 1tb standard SSD for £110 - team group 1tb . What i would do personally

funds could push x390 Gigabyte Gaming board which has better Sound then entry UD board or even Aorus Elite
 
So you would recommend the Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite as the motherboard to go for and a straight forward 1TB SSD? Who are recognised as the best SSD manufacturers?

I’m really debating whether to go for the RTX 2080ti, given my intentions for VR, I need all the power I can stretch to.Will the Gigabyte Windforce do the business? I’d hate to waste money on a 2080 if it simply won’t cut the mustard. Would I need a higher output PSU for the upgraded card?

Thanks :D
 
HTAFC777 said:
So you would recommend the Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite as the motherboard to go for and a straight forward 1TB SSD? Who are recognised as the best SSD manufacturers?

I’m really debating whether to go for the RTX 2080ti, given my intentions for VR, I need all the power I can stretch to.Will the Gigabyte Windforce do the business? I’d hate to waste money on a 2080 if it simply won’t cut the mustard. Would I need a higher output PSU for the upgraded card?

Thanks :D
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Elite is you can, Standard Gigabyte Gaming is still a good board and VRM beat most Z390/Z370 boards anyways . Just aorus is a little more fancier and VRM count .

If you cna push rtx 2080ti then great! but it also depends on the VR headset your going for. RTX 2080 would handle Vive Pro just fine, but ones like Pimax 5K/8K or up coming headsets with more pixels would need 2080ti levels of power ! pretty much still rendering 2 screens at once in a nut shell .

Windforce should do but always push people to Gaming OC/Aorus card due to getting extra year warranty and bigger cooling! at £1k a pop you'd want the best warranty, even for resale value if you can handle the RMA

yeah, go for 1tb SSD, as for best- just get whats cheapest to push to GPU/CPU haha
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Elite is you can, Standard Gigabyte Gaming is still a good board and VRM beat most Z390/Z370 boards anyways . Just aorus is a little more fancier and VRM count .

If you cna push rtx 2080ti then great! but it also depends on the VR headset your going for. RTX 2080 would handle Vive Pro just fine, but ones like Pimax 5K/8K or up coming headsets with more pixels would need 2080ti levels of power ! pretty much still rendering 2 screens at once in a nut shell .

Windforce should do but always push people to Gaming OC/Aorus card due to getting extra year warranty and bigger cooling! at £1k a pop you'd want the best warranty, even for resale value if you can handle the RMA

yeah, go for 1tb SSD, as for best- just get whats cheapest to push to GPU/CPU haha
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Thanks for all the advice.

I’m thinking Samsung Odyssey + for the VR headset if I can get my hands on one. Pimax 5k plus looks good, but getting quite pricey at the point.

Just picked up a second hand Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog from Thrustmaster directly, with 6 months warranty, for almost half the price of the cheapest new one I could find. Hopefully a sound decision! Will upgrade the base of the joystick later on.

Now the first purchase has been made, I’m committed :eek:
 
Odyseey matches Vive Pro so RTX 2080 should be able to handle it fine in theory .

Pimax is 2560x1440 vs 1440x1600 (both per eye) - big difference in pixel count there 3.68mil vs 2.3mill

for 4k gaming, 2080ti is the first true card that can nail 60fps on average currently with games
 
Quick update, I’ve ended up going gen 1 with the VR headset and bought a nearly new (second hand) Oculus Rift off a famous auction website, the general consensus was this was the way to go as a less painful way to get into VR.

Not pulled the trigger on a PC yet, still trying to justify the costs of having a 2080Ti under the bonnet. The 2080 would handle the rift fine (I’m sure) but I would be compromising on the 4K element. Nvidia certainly have made it a pain with their pricing of the card, but that’s been discussed countless times.
 
HTAFC777 said:
Quick update, I’ve ended up going gen 1 with the VR headset and bought a nearly new (second hand) Oculus Rift off a famous auction website, the general consensus was this was the way to go as a less painful way to get into VR.

Not pulled the trigger on a PC yet, still trying to justify the costs of having a 2080Ti under the bonnet. The 2080 would handle the rift fine (I’m sure) but I would be compromising on the 4K element. Nvidia certainly have made it a pain with their pricing of the card, but that’s been discussed countless times.
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again depends on the games and frame rate/quality you want to play them at . 4k on a good monitor/screen should have some sharp images so details and be turned down a little . etc

2080 can do 4k, its just the 2080ti that you dont have to worry about it pretty much
 
Ok, so progress being made! Hopefully I’ve not screwed up. So far I’ve purchased,

1 x Samsung Evo 860 1TB SSD (got a great deal)
1 x Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Pro WiFi
1 x Corsair H115i pro rgb refurb
2 x Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB DDR4 3000mhz
1 x Corsair TX-M series 650 80 Plus Gold PSU

Trying to decide upon a case is doing my brain in, if I can save a bit here, I will throw a bit more at the processor. The i5 9600k represents very good value, but the i7 9700k May stand me in better stead going forward. I understand there is little between them re perf.

The BeQuiet 601 seems to lack a USB C which I wouldn’t mind having going forward for VR.

I think I’ve all but decided on the RTX2080 over the ti and EVGA seem to have a great rep.
 
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