9900k vs new AMD CPU's 2019

[LePhuronn]

4770 is a 4core 8 thread cpu, not a 6core

I think he meant you can get a Ryzen 6 core for £120 new which performs the same as a 4770K.

Except that the only £120 Ryzen 6 core I can find is the Ryzen 5 1600X (£130) and it holds its own against a 7700K in everything except 1080p gaming. But then Dg does seem to fixate purely on gaming performance as the all-encompassing metric, presumably because that's where Intel hold their only lead.

 

[~>Dg<~]

im simply on about the 2nd market prices and how now its just not even worth buying older i7s. such as the 4770k unless its dirt cheap as you can pick up a brand new faster amd new chip with more cores for the same price as what you would pay for the 2nd hand chip. if the newer amd chips are even quicker with more cores and priced aggressively then the 2nd prices of older stuff are going to drop like rocks. which is good as you will be able to make a 2nd hand fast pc for peanuts.

its win win for us.

 

[nashathedog]

I have a 4690K and after a 4k qled tv upgrade and a 2080ti I am itching to upgrade the processor and was actually wondering if I should go for a 2700x with a decent X470 m/board and upgrade to the 3000 series later in the year selling the 2700x. I think a lot of people are probably in the same position.
I am wondering if the money I lose on the 2700X will be offset by the further depreciation of my old cpu, mboard and memory when I come to sell only to find the market flooded with gear from everyone else that upgrades to Zen 2 at the same time.

Wait for the next motherboards to land rather than buy an X470 board now, A 4690k is perfectly capable so no rush, give it a few months.

 

[subbytna]

I think he meant you can get a Ryzen 6 core for £120 new which performs the same as a 4770K.

Except that the only £120 Ryzen 6 core I can find is the Ryzen 5 1600X (£130) and it holds its own against a 7700K in everything except 1080p gaming. But then Dg does seem to fixate purely on gaming performance as the all-encompassing metric, presumably because that's where Intel hold their only lead.

Ah yes, sorry misread it. Ta.

 

[cossie0]

Thanks for the advice guys. Although it is going completely against my man maths I will just wait for the 3000 series and X570's.
Hopefully the performance will be as good or better than the 9700 / 9900.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

I cant imagine having absolutely no bias regarding AMD/Intel and basing your purchase purely on performance. It would be like going to a football match and chearing for whichever team is in the lead. Completely removed of any bias. I admire some of you guys in a way.

 

[Sayso]

I cant imagine having absolutely no bias regarding AMD/Intel and basing your purchase purely on performance. It would be like going to a football match and chearing for whichever team is in the lead. Completely removed of any bias. I admire some of you guys in a way.

I thought most people were not fanboys, not the other way round. Its just the nutters who shout the loudest.

 

[LePhuronn]

I cant imagine having absolutely no bias regarding AMD/Intel and basing your purchase purely on performance. It would be like going to a football match and chearing for whichever team is in the lead. Completely removed of any bias. I admire some of you guys in a way.

lolwhut? Only idiots have strong bias towards any faceless corporation. Anybody with half a brain will put their money towards the best product that fits their criteria, and that criteria will be based on real world factors. But then if you look at some of the chumps on these forums, especially those with an Intel bias, you can see just how much shouting these numpties do and alas it drowns out the level-headed majority.

 

[B1gbeard]

lolwhut? Only idiots have strong bias towards any faceless corporation. Anybody with half a brain will put their money towards the best product that fits their criteria, and that criteria will be based on real world factors. But then if you look at some of the chumps on these forums, especially those with an Intel bias, you can see just how much shouting these numpties do and alas it drowns out the level-headed majority.

Even reading forums has a bias for many people it seems. This forum, since the Ryzen release, is well known for having a strong AMD bias and I'm sure I am not the only one who has found it a pretty rubbish place to just come and get good information from because of pro AMD vitriol. There are one or two Intel crazies here for sure but for the vast majority of the last couple of years it's been the AMD crowd drowning out any decent debate and I find it odd that this has gone unnoticed by you. I've seen many times certain posters literally making stuff up about Ryzen even when it has been proven wrong.

 

[DarrenM343]

I cant imagine having absolutely no bias regarding AMD/Intel and basing your purchase purely on performance. It would be like going to a football match and chearing for whichever team is in the lead. Completely removed of any bias. I admire some of you guys in a way.

People are often biased to what they already own. Kind of self-justification.
It's difficult to get the right advice. Best thing when asking for advice is to ensure people give every detail possible about their requirements. That will also help gauge the replies too depending on how they answer. "Should I buy a 9900K or a 2700K" for example, the replies will be all over the place. You'll have the fanboys, those biased to what they have already purchased and then a few who will give well balance replies. If you ask a question with more detail (budget, how much gaming, what resolutions, what else is PC used for etc), then the answers will be more targeted.

 

[LePhuronn]

Even reading forums has a bias for many people it seems. This forum, since the Ryzen release, is well known for having a strong AMD bias and I'm sure I am not the only one who has found it a pretty rubbish place to just come and get good information from because of pro AMD vitriol. There are one or two Intel crazies here for sure but for the vast majority of the last couple of years it's been the AMD crowd drowning out any decent debate and I find it odd that this has gone unnoticed by you. I've seen many times certain posters literally making stuff up about Ryzen even when it has been proven wrong.

Oh believe me none of it's gone unnoticed. It's ludicrous to say the least.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

"Should I buy a 9900K or a 2700K" for example, the replies will be all over the place.

Yes that kind of question almost guarantees an Intel vs AMD debate though. Asking 9900k vs 9700k for example would get far more constructive and mature responses.

 

[LePhuronn]

Asking 9900k vs 9700k for example would get far more constructive and mature responses.

Well it wouldn't because the 2700X is more than a match for both in pretty much every metric that counts for significantly less money, which would then start the typical Intel apologist bluster of "but it's the very best so of course it's expensive!" with the usual AMD is for peasants tripe, then the AMD faithful call out the Intel crew for being small-minded troglodytes, and it all starts again.

 

[faceman123]

Best value hands down ryzen 1700 for 160 new with b350 for 200 total... Can't even buy a intel i5 for this.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Well it wouldn't because the 2700X is more than a match for both in pretty much every metric that counts for significantly less money, which would then start the typical Intel apologist bluster of "but it's the very best so of course it's expensive!" with the usual AMD is for peasants tripe, then the AMD faithful call out the Intel crew for being small-minded troglodytes, and it all starts again.

Well it would because AMD's superiority would be irelevant and off topic in a 9900k vs 9700k discussion. I wouldn't even bother reading the first post if I read that. Similarly, a 1700x vs 2600x question would be offtopic for any mention of Intel. That's the point I was making. Civilised conversation without any AMD vs Intel arguments.

 

[LePhuronn]

Well it would because AMD's superiority would be irelevant and off topic in a 9900k vs 9700k discussion. I wouldn't even bother reading the first post if I read that. Similarly, a 1700x vs 2600x question would be offtopic for any mention of Intel. That's the point I was making. Civilised conversation without any AMD vs Intel arguments.

I fully agree, but it just doesn't happen, especially as pretty much all conversations of the ilk you describe is always "I want a new system/upgrade for X, Y, Z purposes, which Intel CPU is the best for it?", at which point the inclusion of an AMD suggestion is very much on topic as the poster is seeking advice. But this type of conversation always descends into a mess; either somebody will make the legitimate comment of "have you considered Ryzen for what you do?" which gets descended upon by the Intel fanbois, or a rational discussion about Intel options is interrupted by somebody wading in with "lol Intel circle jerkers, AMD FTW".

It's moronic. Hell, just look at the idiocy that was bandied around after CES when that engineering sample 8 core Ryzen matched the 9900K. Any sane conversation about IPC gains, theorising about clock speeds and the potential battering Intel could face when AMD scale to 12 and 16 cores was immediately turned turgid by 2 particular posters literally shouting nonsense and accusing everybody else of being idiots.

 

[easyrider]

Even reading forums has a bias for many people it seems. This forum, since the Ryzen release, is well known for having a strong AMD bias and I'm sure I am not the only one who has found it a pretty rubbish place to just come and get good information from because of pro AMD vitriol. There are one or two Intel crazies here for sure but for the vast majority of the last couple of years it's been the AMD crowd drowning out any decent debate and I find it odd that this has gone unnoticed by you. I've seen many times certain posters literally making stuff up about Ryzen even when it has been proven wrong.

This tbh... I have noticed some kind of weird AMD dogma preaching of late...and tbh it’s boring...you only have to search through the people on here with a few years on the forum to see that they , myself included will just buy what’s the best at any given time regardless of wether it’s AMD or Intel.

But the AMD evangelists still persist with the same old boring Rhetoric. You only have to read the zen 2 thread to see all the nonsense being posted in there with made up facts etc...

I’m poised to ditch my 9900k when zen 2 is released if the performance is there...but there are people on here that refuse to believe such action....when I don’t give one toss who makes what...

If it’s AMD good if it’s intel then that’s fine too.

Anyone who cares is actually odd

 

[easyrider]

Oh believe me none of it's gone unnoticed. It's ludicrous to say the least.

But you are one of them

 

[Rroff]

Even reading forums has a bias for many people it seems. This forum, since the Ryzen release, is well known for having a strong AMD bias and I'm sure I am not the only one who has found it a pretty rubbish place to just come and get good information from because of pro AMD vitriol. There are one or two Intel crazies here for sure but for the vast majority of the last couple of years it's been the AMD crowd drowning out any decent debate and I find it odd that this has gone unnoticed by you. I've seen many times certain posters literally making stuff up about Ryzen even when it has been proven wrong.

I know what you mean - Ryzen is a pretty strong product but the AMD echo chamber and vitriol has pushed out a lot of good info/debate - blocking a few of the more frequent posters of it here has vastly improved my experience but it is still a bit meh same with the GPU sub-section.

 

[LePhuronn]

But you are one of them

Not even remotely, but you were too busy crying into your 9900K the second an engineering sample Ryzen matched it to actually comprehend what the rest of us were talking about. But that's all I'll say on that matter, I don't want to see yet another thread dragged down by your Intel circle jerk and "oh I buy anything" stance that miraculously appeared after CES.