FGM 'increasingly performed on UK babies' (shocker)

Yeah I've heard that before. I don't know why it affects some people more than others. Regardless, the person authorising the circumcision can't possibly know, so there'd better be a damn good reason for doing it.
 
RaohNS said:
One conviction. I saw on a twitter thread from police a while ago saying it is illegal etc and one of the respondents showed the NHS reporting and it numbered more than 10,000 per year (with one year in the 9,000's). It is estimated to be far far higher than that.

A lot like the rape gang numbers where they think locking up a few hundred men when up to 100,000 girls have been victims of this since at least the 70's. Racism....
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No, the reason the reporting rate is high but the prosecution/conviction rate is low is fairly simple.

You see someone who appears to have undergone it, you are as a medical professional (from memory) legally required to report it.
That means that every time someone is found to have undergone it, it's reported*.

Now the problem with prosecuting, let alone getting a conviction (remember that whole thing of having to have a trial and convincing a jury you've got the right person, yes it's a nuisance I know), is that unless it's new (IE still healing, or bloody) you've got a crime that might have occurred months, or years ago, depending on how often the girl has had a gynaecological exam, and IIRC they don't start doing that as a regular thing until the girl is something like 10 or 12 and is nearing/hitting puberty, as it's not something a doctor routinely checks in young girls, nor is it something that is seen by the likes of teachers etc (unlike say bruising from a beating), which means you've got a criminal act but effectively no idea who actually did it, and unless you can get the victim to ID them you don't have anything to start building a prosecution on, unless when you ask family members one of them pipes up "why yes I did it" or similar.

It's basically something that is as hard to get the victim to speak up about as other forms of physical abuse by the family, but because it's affecting the genitals the there are none of the sighs that often result in an investigation after reports by most professionals, or neighbours the child has contact with, so it's either a report by the victim, or the doctor/nurse after a specific type of appointment (so not even something a doctor will be checking when they go in for say a sore throat).


*or should be, and given the numbers is getting reported routinely when spotted.
 
I agree with others that male circumcisions should be illegal too, unless there is a medical need of course. Ridiculous what gets a pass because it's a religious practice.
 
LabR@t said:
Afraid it is no shocker, importing backward cultures into the country.
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Just a pity with Brexitvthere will be far more Muslim immigrants, and our borders will be totally open. In fact there are already far more non-Eu immigrants eaxhbyear since the vote.

If people wanted to keep the UK a mono-cultural white Christian country ghrybshoukd have voted remain.


But remains are all racist and ibkybyhe leavers had the vision to massively increase Muslim immigration.
 
It's totally sick and Islam at it's worst
There was a Ch4 documentary on this about 15 years ago, it had hidden cameras filming several women holding down a screaming little girl while they cut her clitoris out with a crude knife, I had nightmares for weeks after that hearing the girl screaming.
When questioned they said it was to protect the girl from aids but in reality it's to prevent the girl having any sexual feelings so she would stay faithful to her future husband
 
Usher said:
It's totally sick and Islam at it's worst
There was a Ch4 documentary on this about 15 years ago, it had hidden cameras filming several women holding down a screaming little girl while they cut her clitoris out with a crude knife, I had nightmares for weeks after that hearing the girl screaming.
When questioned they said it was to protect the girl from aids but in reality it's to prevent the girl having any sexual feelings so she would stay faithful to her future husband
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Erm surely they have spells and curses to ward against that?
 
Usher said:
It's totally sick and Islam at it's worst
There was a Ch4 documentary on this about 15 years ago, it had hidden cameras filming several women holding down a screaming little girl while they cut her clitoris out with a crude knife, I had nightmares for weeks after that hearing the girl screaming.
When questioned they said it was to protect the girl from aids but in reality it's to prevent the girl having any sexual feelings so she would stay faithful to her future husband
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It's not unique to Islam. There's a significant geographic element aswell as religion.
 
Minstadave said:
It's not unique to Islam. There's a significant geographic element aswell as religion.
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Yup

IT's far more about region than religion, IIRC where it's practiced it's done so generally by most/all of the local religions, whilst there are large islamic countries with huge muslim populations where it's rare.
 
D.P. said:
Just a pity with Brexitvthere will be far more Muslim immigrants, and our borders will be totally open. In fact there are already far more non-Eu immigrants eaxhbyear since the vote.

If people wanted to keep the UK a mono-cultural white Christian country ghrybshoukd have voted remain.


But remains are all racist and ibkybyhe leavers had the vision to massively increase Muslim immigration.
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It makes more sense to have skilled asain doctors coming in rather than Thousands of Romanian car washers, unless of course you are indeed racist.
 
Werewolf said:
Now the problem with prosecuting, let alone getting a conviction (remember that whole thing of having to have a trial and convincing a jury you've got the right person, yes it's a nuisance I know), is that unless it's new (IE still healing, or bloody) you've got a crime that might have occurred months, or years ago, depending on how often the girl has had a gynaecological exam, and IIRC they don't start doing that as a regular thing until the girl is something like 10 or 12 and is nearing/hitting puberty, as it's not something a doctor routinely checks in young girls, nor is it something that is seen by the likes of teachers etc (unlike say bruising from a beating), which means you've got a criminal act but effectively no idea who actually did it, and unless you can get the victim to ID them you don't have anything to start building a prosecution on, unless when you ask family members one of them pipes up "why yes I did it" or similar.

It's basically something that is as hard to get the victim to speak up about as other forms of physical abuse by the family, but because it's affecting the genitals the there are none of the sighs that often result in an investigation after reports by most professionals, or neighbours the child has contact with, so it's either a report by the victim, or the doctor/nurse after a specific type of appointment (so not even something a doctor wiUOTE]
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Werewolf said:
No, the reason the reporting rate is high but the prosecution/conviction rate is low is fairly simple.

You see someone who appears to have undergone it, you are as a medical professional (from memory) legally required to report it.
That means that every time someone is found to have undergone it, it's reported*.

Now the problem with prosecuting, let alone getting a conviction (remember that whole thing of having to have a trial and convincing a jury you've got the right person, yes it's a nuisance I know), is that unless it's new (IE still healing, or bloody) you've got a crime that might have occurred months, or years ago, depending on how often the girl has had a gynaecological exam, and IIRC they don't start doing that as a regular thing until the girl is something like 10 or 12 and is nearing/hitting puberty, as it's not something a doctor routinely checks in young girls, nor is it something that is seen by the likes of teachers etc (unlike say bruising from a beating), which means you've got a criminal act but effectively no idea who actually did it, and unless you can get the victim to ID them you don't have anything to start building a prosecution on, unless when you ask family members one of them pipes up "why yes I did it" or similar.

It's basically something that is as hard to get the victim to speak up about as other forms of physical abuse by the family, but because it's affecting the genitals the there are none of the sighs that often result in an investigation after reports by most professionals, or neighbours the child has contact with, so it's either a report by the victim, or the doctor/nurse after a specific type of appointment (so not even something a doctor will be checking when they go in for say a sore throat).


*or should be, and given the numbers is getting reported routinely when spotted.
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You've nailed virtually all the difficulties in dealing with FGM through the courts. I'd also add that a lot of times girls are taken out of the country to have it done or somebody travels here with their kit and then promptly disappears.

This becomes nigh on impossible to find the actual person who committed GBH and the parent is left to be dealt with for neglect as a lesser offence as they claim no knowledge.

If pursued by The Police, the parent will often claim they are the victim of some kind of honest based intimidation so they flip the situation to become a victim. Muddying the waters enough to make prosecution impossible.
 
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