yeah. the only asus i'd touch is the crosshair, or the x470 strix-f.
imo, msi b450 itx is the one to go for though
Am I making a mistake building an AM4 PC now, then upgrading to the new 3000 cpus later?
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imo, msi b450 itx is the one to go for though
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Ah yes, getting mixed up
https://www.kitguru.net/components/...rog-strix-x470-f-gaming-motherboard-review/3/
Still would be the Strix E for me
£150 though, does state support for 3544hz out the box , shame only from distribution
Guessing it does make the X470 Strix in a grey spot
https://www.kitguru.net/components/...rog-strix-x470-f-gaming-motherboard-review/3/
yeah. the only asus i'd touch is the crosshair, or the x470 strix-f.
imo, msi b450 itx is the one to go for though
Still would be the Strix E for me
£150 though, does state support for 3544hz out the box , shame only from distribution
Guessing it does make the X470 Strix in a grey spot
That's why I've discounted it. Can't get it for the average person
@EsaT summed it up well. You certainly won't need to worry about being constrained by PCI-E 3 for future graphics cards anytime soon, and sounds like there's a good chance future BIOS updates will 'upgrade' a lot of current AM4 boards to PCI-E 4. If not, then it's still unlikely to affect performance for a very long time to come anyway due to backwards compatibility .
Ryzen 3 will be more power efficient than the older Ryzens. If a motherboard now can run a 2700x, I see no reason it shouldn't be able to run 12 core/16 threads and I wouldn't be surprised if many can run 16 core/32 threads in the future. We simply don't know for sure yet, but AMDs commitment that those with first gen Ryzens on B350 type motherboards will be able to upgrade to Ryzen 3 is encouraging.
You're on 1440p and with a 1070 Ti, so you'll be graphics card bottlenecked for a good while to come. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time you felt the need for a CPU upgrade that Ryzen 3 will have been out for quite some time. I certainly doubt there'll be any real need to upgrade from a 2600 to Ryzen 3 on launch day.
Ryzen 3 will be more power efficient than the older Ryzens. If a motherboard now can run a 2700x, I see no reason it shouldn't be able to run 12 core/16 threads and I wouldn't be surprised if many can run 16 core/32 threads in the future. We simply don't know for sure yet, but AMDs commitment that those with first gen Ryzens on B350 type motherboards will be able to upgrade to Ryzen 3 is encouraging.
You're on 1440p and with a 1070 Ti, so you'll be graphics card bottlenecked for a good while to come. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time you felt the need for a CPU upgrade that Ryzen 3 will have been out for quite some time. I certainly doubt there'll be any real need to upgrade from a 2600 to Ryzen 3 on launch day.
debatable. 2 issues here,
1) the max allowable tracing for pci-e 4, is 7 inches from the CPU IIRC. that's to the first pci-e slot. and a lot of mobos have the first pci-e slot as a x1.
2) from the article below:
We spoke with AMD representatives, who confirmed that 300- and 400-series AM4 motherboards can support PCIe 4.0. AMD will not lock the out feature, instead it will be up to motherboard vendors to validate and qualify the faster standard on its motherboards on a case-by-case basis.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-pcie-4.0-motherboard,38401.html
There are just a few older games, like Stalker that I believe benefit from a higher single core performing cpu, from what I have read. My current pc struggled a bit with Stalker and the misery mod and I think this Ryzen will be even weaker for single core games (i5 4670k @ 4.4). Maybe it's not worth the price for just a handful of older games though. I'll see what performance is like in a bunch of games and then decide whether to upgrade in future. I'll clock the 2600 anyway and get as much as I can from it.
Not familiar with that game, though this benchmark on a Ryzen 2600 looks encouraging:
How a game that old is using nearly 100% of 6 cores/12 threads I do not know
Either way, comfortably over 100 fps all the way apparently.True, but I suspect it will be feasible on a lot of boards. I know the first PCI-E x16 slot is top on my board and it looks close enough to the CPU. Ultimately it may come down to whether the manufacturer decides if they can be bothered to enable PCI-E 4 through a BIOS update more than anything else.
Either way, this isn't like deciding whether to invest in one of the last platforms using AGP before PCI-E hit. The difference between PCI-E 3 and 4 won't be felt for a long time. According to this, only the 2080 Ti has just managed to exceed the bandwith equivalent of PCI-E 2 x16.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_PCI-Express_Scaling/
not all boards have the first pci-e slot as x16 though, that's my point. individual boards' physical design may automatically preclude the update to pci-e 4
indeed
Yeah, a possible minefield there. Out of curiosity I checked the top AM4 motherboards on the VRM tier list; two have the PCI-E 3 x16 as the top slot and the other two don't. Something to be factored in if buying AM4 now.
Not familiar with that game, though this benchmark on a Ryzen 2600 looks encouraging:
How a game that old is using nearly 100% of 6 cores/12 threads I do not know
Wow, thats not bad, although I think the Misery mod does substantially tank performance as it widens the area for npcs/enemies to be active within the game world, which I believe is one of the reasons it uses a lot of cpu. You can turn this down, but I like randomly coming across big battles unfolding in the distance between two rival factions and moving in to mop up the survivors to take their loot
. Also Stalker, although an old game, still has some of the best AI I have encountered in a game. The Misery mod also uses a gfx pack that makes it look decent and not far off a lot of todays games gfx wise. Hopefully Stalker 2 has support for multi cores, if it actually materialises this time around. Thanks for all the help guys, I ended up selling my old parts on ebay and used the funds to get the Strix 470x-F and some G Skill Flare X 3200 ram. Should get it by tomorrow. I just need a copy of windows now as I think my current W10 Home edition wont work as it was a free upgrade from W7 retail.
I bought a pile of games before Christmas with the plan to smash through them on my 2 weeks holiday, but annoyingly my pc decided to kick the bucket, so i'm looking forward to playing them, especially Resident Evil 2 remake as I'm a massive Resi fan.
call microsoft helpline up and they'll swap your win 7 key for a win 10 key - if you still have the key.
if you don't, then call them up and say your mobo broke and you've just replaced it
failing those 2, you can get grey keys for £15 if you know where to look
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I'd personally spend a tad more than the STRIX F and go for an ASRock Taichi, not the ultimate though, as that's the same board with 10GB LAN. It's got the best VRM's based on tech reviews and has Wi-Fi as a bonus. I think it was Gamers Nexus and 8-pack who's high praise was the reason I ended up getting one and cancelling my MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon. I think if you're planning to go for a Ryzen 3xxx then I'd get as good a motherboard as you can afford/justify. The two highest rated boards are always the Taichi and the CH7, the Gigabyte is up there in component quality I believe, but memory support and speeds are generally harder to achieve good results.
A little bit late now as I have already put the parts together, but thanks for the suggestion. Hopefully the Strix should handle the next gen chips and if not i'll just get a 2700x and I think that should do me for at least 3-4 years.
Got it all installed, but haven't dared turn it on yet
. It's getting a bit late and if there is a problem then I'll be up all night thinking about it. So going to download windows onto a usb drive, buy a key, get all the latest drivers and utilities etc for now. Also ordered another 140mm Noiseblocker e-loop black fan to go at the front. The cpu heatsink was the only hard part as i wasn't sure how tight to tighten the bolts. They turned easily until they clamped the clamping bar down over the cpu block, but looking at the AM4 brackets on the mobo, it looks to have bent those out a few mm. They're only thin steel, so I guess thats normal?
Also it was an ultra close fit between the heatsink fan and the ram. Looks like 1mm gap... But the fan blades are set back a bit, so I don't think theres any danger of the fan blades catching the ram. I could have set the fan higher up to clear the ram, but thought it would be better to have some airflow under the heatsink for the VRMs.
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@Mark A the strix is still an awesome board, it will last you a long while mate. 2700x should too if game engines start being optimised for high core and thread cpu's too... Can dream eh?