Need To Upgrade Mobo & CPU

DaGozza

DaGozza

DaGozza

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So after my motherboard decided to kill my cpu (which you may have seen on the forum already), i have no confidence in just buying another cpu to put in the same motherboard with the risk of it happening again. It is used heavily for gaming. I want to have an open mind about this so budget is not really what it comes down to its down to whats going to do the best job for what its needed for. My Current specs are:

Asus Rampage V Extreme (CPU killer)
Intel I7-5930k (Murdered by ASUS RIP)
Corsair Dominator 16GB DDR4
EVGA 1070 FTW

Thanks in advance
 
DaGozza said:
So after my motherboard decided to kill my cpu (which you may have seen on the forum already), i have no confidence in just buying another cpu to put in the same motherboard with the risk of it happening again. It is used heavily for gaming. I want to have an open mind about this so budget is not really what it comes down to its down to whats going to do the best job for what its needed for. My Current specs are:

Asus Rampage V Extreme (CPU killer)
Intel I7-5930k (Murdered by ASUS RIP)
Corsair Dominator 16GB DDR4
EVGA 1070 FTW

Thanks in advance
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what resolution you gaming at ?
 
going on a pure CPU performance standpoint, anything less than a 8700k is a step backwards.
so, either a 8700k or 9700k or 9900k on the intel side. though you lose the PCIE lanes going from a prosumer platform to a consumer platform (if that matters to you).
on the AMD side, ryzen 2600/x is a step backward in terms of single thread performance, but 2700/x is better for multicore workloads.

shame you're looking to buy now, as it'll be interesting to see what ryzen 3000 brings to the table.
 
tamzzy said:
going on a pure CPU performance standpoint, anything less than a 8700k is a step backwards.
so, either a 8700k or 9700k or 9900k on the intel side. though you lose the PCIE lanes going from a prosumer platform to a consumer platform (if that matters to you).
on the AMD side, ryzen 2600/x is a step backward in terms of single thread performance, but 2700/x is better for multicore workloads.

shame you're looking to buy now, as it'll be interesting to see what ryzen 3000 brings to the table.
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Thanks for your advice, that's one thing I wanted to make sure that I was not to take a step back from the 5930k. It is a shame I have to buy now my hand has kinda been forced into that, I don't think I could handle till Mid 2019 to see what AMD. I'm missing my pc to much as it is now lol
 
tbh, if you can wait...then i suggest waiting. ryzen 3000 is rumoured to shake the market up.
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apparently the midrange 3600x performs similarly, in cinebench to the i9 9900k which costs USD 499.
how would the cinebench scores translate to out-and-out gaming performance? no one quite knows yet. but most are optimistic that it'll catch up and be very close to the intel equivalents - especially if single thread performance is markedly increased on ryzen 3000.
even if the prices end up as 10-20% more expensive, it's still miles cheaper than current offerings.

again, these are all rumours, so a large pinch of salt is required.
 
DaGozza said:
Currently only 1080 with the view of going 1440p in the future
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Would be about time to start using modern resolution.


DaGozza said:
Thanks for your advice, that's one thing I wanted to make sure that I was not to take a step back from the 5930k. It is a shame I have to buy now my hand has kinda been forced into that, I don't think I could handle till Mid 2019 to see what AMD. I'm missing my pc to much as it is now lol
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Using AM4's upgrade path would be one option.
On Intel side you'll have to pay arm and leg to not fall behind current CPU in something...
And it will likely be worth of only around £200 at summer and without any upgrade path to answer competition, which likely just walks over it and pees on its grave.
Screwed if you do, screwed if you don't...

Well, at least you don't have get screwed by prices of DRAM cartel.
(let's hope mobo didn't kill RAM)
 
EsaT said:
Would be about time to start using modern resolution.


Using AM4's upgrade path would be one option.
On Intel side you'll have to pay arm and leg to not fall behind current CPU in something...
And it will likely be worth of only around £200 at summer and without any upgrade path to answer competition, which likely just walks over it and pees on its grave.
Screwed if you do, screwed if you don't...

Well, at least you don't have get screwed by prices of DRAM cartel.
(let's hope mobo didn't kill RAM)
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Both screw you over with ram vendors laughing when .ddr5 rolls out 2020 .
Interested to see how AMD releases ryzen 4000 . Between intel to the punch with PCIe 4.0 Native which stings Intel's pride , but can't make 4000 series with DDR5 controller compatible with AM4 socket . 2020 will be interesting :D

Fun fact about intel.. provide about 10th of engineering samples to vendors like Asus compared to likes of Dell .. OEM are golden child for intel , AMD have been the opposite but initial Engineering sample of ryzen was shocking but they learnt their lesson... Unlike intel hehe
 
orbitalwalsh said:
but can't make 4000 series with DDR5 controller compatible with AM4 socket . 2020 will be interesting :D
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Use of separate I/O chip actually opens possibility for using same improved CPU chiplets in both AM4 CPU and on new DDR5 CPU if AMD wants.
Though first we would have to get that DDR5 available before AMD can do motherboard for it.

Because it's as much late as Intel's 10nm with no specification still in sight:
A 2016 presentation by Intel suggested a JEDEC plan to release a 2016 DDR5 SDRAM specification, with the memory being available for end user purchase in 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR5_SDRAM​
Then again why make something new when you can still sell same old at expensive prices...
 
tamzzy said:
if you want to spend top dollar now:

My basket at overclockers uk:
Total: £680.48 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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#goodenough
reuse your current ram, and you'll need beefy cooling (which i'm assuming you have)
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Sorry for delayed response been busy with work. The 9900k is my most likely option, i do have a Corsair H115i so that should do the job :D
 
EsaT said:
Would be about time to start using modern resolution.


Using AM4's upgrade path would be one option.
On Intel side you'll have to pay arm and leg to not fall behind current CPU in something...
And it will likely be worth of only around £200 at summer and without any upgrade path to answer competition, which likely just walks over it and pees on its grave.
Screwed if you do, screwed if you don't...

Well, at least you don't have get screwed by prices of DRAM cartel.
(let's hope mobo didn't kill RAM)
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Yea a higher resolution is much needed and have been pondering a Asus Swift for some time but just not been brave enough to drop the money on it yet, kinda glad given the current situation, funds are needed elsewhere. In regards to the cpu situation you are certainly correct was really bad timing for this to happen, likely ive got the advantage of using my fiances pc which is similar in spec but im sure she is going to want to claim her pc back soon lol.
 
DaGozza said:
i do have a Corsair H115i so that should do the job
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hopefully :P
overclocked 9900k can pull 250w.

tamzzy said:
1 x Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro WIFI Intel Z390 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £199.99
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out of stock at ocuk, but a quick google will show you where to get it for nearly £40 cheaper :)

DaGozza said:
likely ive got the advantage of using my fiances pc which is similar in spec but im sure she is going to want to claim her pc back soon lol.
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if you can wait...seeing as ryzen 3000 is due in the middle of the year
if ryzen 3000 is going to shake up the market as rumours say it will - then buying anything new now, unless you have to, will probably leave you with buyers remorse
 
tamzzy said:
hopefully :p
overclocked 9900k can pull 250w.



out of stock at ocuk, but a quick google will show you where to get it for nearly £40 cheaper :)


if you can wait...seeing as ryzen 3000 is due in the middle of the year
if ryzen 3000 is going to shake up the market as rumours say it will - then buying anything new now, unless you have to, will probably leave you with buyers remorse
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wow really, what is the reasons why they pull so much because i watch some vids saying that on the x299 things got rather warm. So it does :P. Do you think its best if i can pick up a used 5930k and just hope it lasts till summer and my mobo doesnt fry that and then see what happens with the Ryzen 3000 hype?
 
DaGozza said:
wow really, what is the reasons why they pull so much because i watch some vids saying that on the x299 things got rather warm. So it does :p.
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overclocked. intel 14nm++++++ lithography is at its limits now. and with intel having issues with their 10nm process, they're stuck.

DaGozza said:
Do you think its best if i can pick up a used 5930k and just hope it lasts till summer and my mobo doesnt fry that and then see what happens with the Ryzen 3000 hype?
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depends on what you use your rig for. if it's to earn money, then obvs you have no choice but to buy now.
5930k is still going for ~£150 from ebay...and no slouch either. if you do get it, then consider flashing latest asus bios to reduce the risk of frying your new chip.
if it's just for gaming, then well...issue is how long can you hold out for...
 
DaGozza said:
wow really, what is the reasons why they pull so much because i watch some vids saying that on the x299 things got rather warm.
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Well, when quad core Skylakes got to 100W power draw at full load and two more of those same cores took it to 150W, what do you think happens with eight cores?
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-coffee-lake-i7-8700k-cpu,5252-12.html
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i9-9900k-9th-gen-cpu,5847-11.html
Intel simply lies about TDP and advertised higher clock speeds are only possible by grossly breaking TDP under full all core load.
"We measured 137W (232W) during the Cinebench test, and we topped 145W (241W overclocked) under the larger Blender workload. We even pushed past 120W (198W overclocked) with various CAD plug-ins for Creo and SolidWorks."​

While marketing is in "9th" generation architecture is same as in 3½years old 6th gen Skylake.
So they're only single incremental architectural step ahead of that Haswell based 5930K.

Zen2 engineering sample matching eight core performance of 9900K in Cinebench with only maybe 70-75W power draw is telling about who's going to take the advantage.
With I/O die taking its share of total that eight core Zen2 chiplet might have been responsible for more like 50W of that.
Meaning plenty of room for clock boosting under few core loads and slapping in more cores for threaded loads.
Even 16 Zen2 cores might be possible while staying inside real TDP of 9900K.

Intel has simply completely screwed up their total architectural and manufacturing tech domination of five years ago.
That's why Krzanich got fired last summer.
 
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