vulkan t force vs vulkan tuf gaming alliance

chrcoluk · 17 Feb 2019 at 04:43

So comparing this ram

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...al-channel-kit-grey-tlgd416g30-my-087-tg.html

to

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...-3000mhz-dual-channel-kit-blac-my-0a1-tg.html

Equal spec'd but the latter costs an extra £10, do they use the same type of dies and as such same expected capability and compatability?

tamzzy · 17 Feb 2019 at 05:13

tuf gaming alliance = unscreened samsung b-die
source: i9 9900k pricing

t force = not samsung b-die

chrcoluk · 17 Feb 2019 at 05:24

thanks, what does unscreened mean, and did gibbo specifically state t force isnt b die?

I guess its a tenner so will switch it out.

tamzzy · 17 Feb 2019 at 05:27

chrcoluk said:
thanks, what does unscreened mean

unscreened = unsorted/unbinned (but might've been sorted by samsung though), you can get low quality and won't run higher than rated, or you can get lucky and they'll run at above advertised speeds/cas latencies
Is it Samsung B.die

chrcoluk said:
and did gibbo specifically state t force isnt b die?

no
Is it Samsung B.die

chrcoluk · 17 Feb 2019 at 05:42

Thanks, I switched it over.

chrcoluk · 20 Feb 2019 at 19:31

just to help other OCUK'ers the ram on my tuf alliance is not samsung B die

its hynix

Its working fine, but I checked it and its hynix.

So I guess the £20 premium was just for the heatsink design and tuf brand (asus tax).

Code:

Manufacturer
Hynix
Part Number
H5AN8G8NAFR-UHC
Package
Standard Monolithic 78-ball FBGA
Die Density / Count
8 Gb A-die (21 nm) / 1 die
Composition
1024Mb x8 (64Mb x8 x 16 banks)

MaXxBoulton · 20 Feb 2019 at 20:30

a simply google shows people complaining that they have not got samsung Bdie's on the TUF stuff

HOWEVER, if gibbo as said there all unbinned SAMSUNG Bdie's then you can return them because... there not
just to be clear lots of people are saying all over the forums that "gibbo said"... but i have not seen the post where gibbo did say it.

@Gibbo is the tuf stuff supposed to be Samsung dies?

tamzzy · 20 Feb 2019 at 20:41

MaXxBoulton said:
just to be clear lots of people are saying all over the forums that "gibbo said"... but i have not seen the post where gibbo did say it.

tamzzy said:
source: i9 9900k pricing

Gibbo said:
They are all same IC, point is you could have saved £20 or got faster SPD stuff. 3200C16, will do 3000C15 all day long on an Intel platform, probably even C14.

To be honest this is best 3000 kit value for money wise:

Team Group Vulcan TUF Gaming Alliance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Blac @ £119.99 inc VAT

TLTYD416G3000HC16CDC01, 3000MHz RAM Speed, CAS 16-18-18-36 Timings, 1.25-1.35v VDIMM, Lifetime Warranty with OcUK.

Only £119.99 inc VAT.

ORDER NOW

As it is B-die (unscreened), Corsair 99% won't be, B-due tunes and OC's better seen them as low as 3000C12 or as high as 4000MHz even on none screened stuff.

tamzzy · 20 Feb 2019 at 20:44

chrcoluk said:
just to help other OCUK'ers the ram on my tuf alliance is not samsung B die

its hynix

Its working fine, but I checked it and its hynix.

So I guess the £20 premium was just for the heatsink design and tuf brand (asus tax).

i'd be bummed to pay an extra £20 for virtually the same ram as the t force. especially when it was said to be b-die
send it back and get the £90 ram?
bait and switch sucks. i expected better.

MaXxBoulton · 20 Feb 2019 at 20:44

@tamzzy TBF its dosent say samsun Bdie

tamzzy · 20 Feb 2019 at 20:45

MaXxBoulton said:
@tamzzy TBF its dosent say samsun Bdie

look at the last sentence of gibbo's post.

MaXxBoulton · 20 Feb 2019 at 20:48

tamzzy said:
look at the last sentence of gibbo's post.

its says B-die.. not SAMSUNG B-die

chrcoluk said:
8 Gb A-die (21 nm) / 1 die

However the info for your ram says A-die, this is false adverting.

tamzzy · 20 Feb 2019 at 20:57

@MaXxBoulton
if we're going to go all pedantic. granted micron and samsung does b-die, for the purposes of an enthusiast forum, saying b-die is as good as saying samsung b-die.
yes assumption is the mother of all **** ups, but it's a bit disingenuous to say b-die and then say later "oh i meant micron b-die"
in any case, it's hynix, who don't even do b-die! lol

MaXxBoulton · 20 Feb 2019 at 21:02

tamzzy said:
@MaXxBoulton
if we're going to go all pedantic. granted micron and samsung does b-die, for the purposes of an enthusiast forum, saying b-die is as good as saying samsung b-die.
yes assumption is the mother of all **** ups, but it's a bit disingenuous to say b-die and then say later "oh i meant micron b-die"
in any case, it's hynix, who don't even do b-die! lol

i agree, but this is the world of sales.
like i said ever way gibbo did say Bdie and the buyer got Adie... so he as been done wrong buy and i would lose my poo on the phone.

tamzzy · 20 Feb 2019 at 21:05

MaXxBoulton said:
i agree, but this is the world of sales.

haha indeed. unfortunately

chrcoluk · 20 Feb 2019 at 21:24

its hynix A die so not even B die of any brand

I will put it through hci memtest, and if it fails the phone call might go in yeah, but if it passes I may let it go as I didnt plan to overclock it past XMP spec.

chrcoluk · 21 Feb 2019 at 12:45

I didnt do hci memtest runs as too slow, but I did some on karhu ram test which is probably 2nd best tester behind HCI and is fine.

Not only that I played with settings generated by ryzen dram calculator.

It is also good at 3000CL14 same 1.35v
and 3200CL14 but with higher dram voltage 1.38v

Hynix A die seems to be 2nd best behind samsung B die from what I read.

So I wont be ringing OCUK although I do think gibbo deffo needs to edit his post as its misleading people.

Pants · 21 Feb 2019 at 17:39

I got the T-Force and mine is micron. The various memory tools don't seem to know what to make of it! Works at 3000 as advertised bit not even 3066 works. Cheap though.

chrcoluk · 22 Feb 2019 at 11:09

Thanks pants, that should help people as well with their purchasing decisions.