New PC 3.5k budget - old timer getting back into gaming!

EsaT said:
It was released only in 2008.
(I have older PC-A71B)
With almost completely metal construction there's very little which could rot in them.
While it could definitely use some modding in few places it would be well usable.


And right now you won't be getting any single CPU which would be future proof, no matter how ludicrously overpriced.
Intel is ahead in single thread performance, but only because of second rate GlobalFoundries' node... Bought from Samsung and developed for low clocks phone/tablet CPUs.
Zen2s made on TSMC's 7nm high performance node more advanced than Intel's manufacturing tech won't suffer from that.
And they'll bring extra cores needed for future proofing against next-gen console multiplatter games.
Wintoys PC has whole lots of bloatware/overhead to run in addition to game, while lacking advantage of coding for fixed hardware.
And those next-gen consoles likely come with 8c/16t Zen2 based CPU.


Waterpipe coolers need to dissipate heat to air just like heatpipe coolers.
They even add pump as extra noise source and with higher number of fans they aren't usually good in cooling per noise performance.
Whole lots of "reviews" (more like paid adds) fail to measure noise corresponding to cooling result.
Or use some stock garbage or cheapo as comparison instead of good high performance heatpipe cooler.
Also with lot more things to break/degrade (mostly catastrophically for cooling) you certainly can't forget them into PC for whole decade like you can do with heapipe cooler.

And that's why you always aim CPU cooler and its fan to push that heat toward case exhaust fan.
In case of these Lian Lis there's also room for heat to move upwards instead of being stuck at level of components.
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Great read and lots of information to take in, thank you - need to look into the life cycles of the prebuilt water cooling!


Quartz said:
These days, I would get a Freesync screen that is G-Sync-compatible.
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Without sounding stupid what is freesync? /gsync?
 
TBH, if you've waited 10 years, waiting another 6 months to see what ryzen 3000 brings to the table isn't the worst of ideas...
especially if it's really all that it's cracked up to be...
 
Shabbiest said:
Great read and lots of information to take in, thank you - need to look into the life cycles of the prebuilt water cooling!

Without sounding stupid what is freesync? /gsync?
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This has few things what could be done to PC-A7110:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50483

If you want high reliability and minimum maintenance nothing beats heatpipe coolers.
Heatpipes were basically developed for use in space applications like thermal control of satellites.
And even if (easy and cheap to change) fan fails it only degrades cooling performance, instead of causing total cooling loss like most failure modes in waterpipe coolers:
If pump fails or something prevents coolant circulation CPU basically overheats even at idle/desktop.


Variable refresh rate techs for monitor.
Unless PC can constantly and reliably have new frame ready when monitor starts next refresh cycle there has been problems.
This covers them well:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/2794

Variable refresh rate removes those problems by allowing GPU to control when monitor starts refresh of image.
So that instead of monitor showing same old image for entire another frame duration (16,7 ms @60Hz) halving frame rate to 30Hz (even if GPU was just 1ms late in getting next frame ready) or that image swap happening during refresh cycle and one half of monitor's image shows previous frame and rest new frame, monitor waits for GPU to tell that new frame is ready.
 
Run Aorus Freesync monitor that is G-sync compatible.

Nvidia picks it up In parts stating official support and other parts of the menu not. MSI monitors are the same, all of them. Nvidia extremely slow to roll out official certs of other monitors. Specially if it's an expensive Freesync (still cheaper then G-sync version) it will be G-sync cert in the future and should work fine now :)

Love my eisbaer /Bequiet AIO pump, basically 12db 100% speed, linked with silent wing fans can run quieter then bequiets flagship air cooler. But that's me adding £60 extra ontop of the default AIO package
 
Quartz said:
Start with the Acer Nitro 4k monitor and a RTX 2080 Ti and a large SSD and work your way from there.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,131.67 (includes shipping: £11.70)
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M2 is not worth it.
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This!! Even if u have to downscale a future game down to 1440p! It still looks amazing /has gsync/ has HDR.
I got back into gaming last year and upgraded but nothing I did compares to this monitor it's night and day better than my 1440p.

What games are u planning on playing btw
 
Again thank you all for the information.. very happy I didn't just go prebuild and connect it to my existing screens!!

whitestar85 said:
This!! Even if u have to downscale a future game down to 1440p! It still looks amazing /has gsync/ has HDR.
I got back into gaming last year and upgraded but nothing I did compares to this monitor it's night and day better than my 1440p.

What games are u planning on playing btw
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Games:
Total War - Warhammer 2 / 3 Kingdoms
Fancy an MMO (the last one I played was WOW vanilla) - maybe Blackdesert online remastered
Assassin creed odyssey looks fun
 
tamzzy said:
TBH, if you've waited 10 years, waiting another 6 months to see what ryzen 3000 brings to the table isn't the worst of ideas...
especially if it's really all that it's cracked up to be...
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Agreed. Wait until July 7th to see what 7nm Ryzen 3000, X570 and Navi are like.
 
Quartz said:
Buy now and start having fun now. Something better is always around the corner.
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I largely agree with this sentiment, it's something I've heard for 20 years now but when you know there's a very high chance of release dates of July I just can't ignore this and potentially regret not waiting.
 
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Shabbiest said:
stats
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AMD have shown that their 8 core mid-range part goes toe-to-toe with the intel 9900k in cinebench.
how this translates to gaming performance is up for debate, but it is generally assumed that with ryzen 3000, AMD has reached single-core parity with intel, hence gaming performance should largely be similar.
also telling is the vastly reduced power consumption required.

best screenie i can find of the demonstration at ces - most tech press assume it was the 3600x 8c16t part they were showing off:
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Shabbiest said:
price
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rumoured pricing. i suspect it's a bit low. i'd probably add another 20% on top of those prices.
even adding 20% to the 3600x, assuming those prices are accurate - it works out at ~$280 (say $300), vs 9900k OEM pricing at $488-499 currently.
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Classic cases in anything right now , buy something now and it's already superceded .
AM4 was superceded same years ddr5 was given official launch date , same with LGA 1151 unless then can rework pins .
Ryzen 4000 7nm+ such be much better then ryzen 3000 7nm . Didn't do to much improvement for Vega 7 personally but if a differing chip .
Intel should roll out with their 10nm, greatest doesn't have to have any IPC increase , just extra 2 cores and less power and 60% of the market will buy it :(

Ryzen learnt a lot with the first Engineering ryzen sample ( don't showcase a product to vendors that is why off production version!!!) Have a feeling retail will be slightly faster only just .
What we have no idea about is infinity fabric and how it'll work with 2x 8 core chiplets and IO 14nm chip Plus ram . Gaming rigs everyone just wants the fastest

Again x570 board are cracking :D
 
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