Umm, I honestly don’t know. It’s twitching.
Right Wing terrorist attack in Surrey
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"Divide and rule"
Yep. Back then the internet was only for "nerds" and generally more intelligent people. When social media came along it brought in all the morons and nutters of the world and gave them a platform.
Could be a defective model.
People naturally divide, humans are tribal by nature. We don't need any encouragement.
Meanwhile, Zero Hedge is now entertaining a conspiracy theory that Brenton Tarrant was a member of a professional military group connected to the US and UK intelligence agencies.
Because yeah, that makes total sense.
I still have the ICQ, "uh-oh" stuck in my brain.
Really miss the old days when IRC, ICQ, MSN etc were busy and the vast majority of online gaming wasn't toxic.
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I still have the ICQ, "uh-oh" stuck in my brain.
Really miss the old days when IRC, ICQ, MSN etc were busy and the vast majority of online gaming wasn't toxic.
Thems were the good old days, alt tabbing between game windows, MSN, and IE (AOL in my house, savages). The dulcet tones of a 56k modem dialling up. Asking Jeeves. Being able to game online without receiving a torrent of racist abuse from a ****** off 12 year old.
Has anyone seen the "lists" some people are making, they are truely mental.... Sam Harris? A critic of all religions is somehow a "terrorist cult leader" xD
Sam Harris and Yasmine don't belong on that list as they don't promote hate or violence (and Harris is against all religions). Imam Tawidhi is basically a melon.
disingenuous of the poster to lump all of them together.
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Being a sociopath doesn't really make you crazy. Schizophrenia, for example, would be much more likely.
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Will never forget those clandestine midnight surfing sessions when I was 15. Possible because everyone had gone to bed and no one wanted to use the phone. Sitting eating crisps while waiting for nudey photos to download one line at a time. Such memories!
Even then, some of those don't look all that right wing compared to parties you find in Europe and the US.
Not liking Islam doesn't automatically make someone "far right" like some try to suggest. Infact Islam itself could be called right wing tbh, it's very conservative and intolerant of different cultures.
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That's the problem with kids these days, they've got everything at their finger tips in an instant. Back in our day we had to wait for our porn to buffer! And God help you if someone wanted to use the phone before the good bits had loaded!
When we first got the internet my dad opted for one of those x minutes per month deals. I was about 10 and my brother was 19, I can still remember his face when he got the first phone bill
.You can always find someone more right or left wing than someone else. Doesn't mean these groups aren't right wing.
Obviously. I don't like Islam, and I'm not right wing.
I used to consider myself very left wing and tolerant of all cultures but I've found myself feeling far less inclined to view things as live and let live as I've grown older. I think chiefly what's changed my viewpoint is, ironically, working alongside several Muslims.
The problem is that respect has to be mutual. Most of the Muslims I've worked alongside are happy to demand that their rights and religion are treated with respect. However, they're utterly prejudiced and unwilling to tolerate anyone that has beliefs or a way of life which is different to their own. Basically it's a case of them expecting you to protect their rights whilst happily treading on those of people who don't share their worldview. I found their general views towards Christians, atheists, LGBT groups, etc utterly repugnant to be honest.
I'm in no way excusing the terrible atrocities being committed. Violence should never be the answer is ultimately a failure of people to engage with each other meaningfully.
I do feel we have a serious issue in Western countries with people being unable to criticise any group without being labelled and branded. This is in my opinion what's driving the rise of right-wing politics and the only way to stop it is for people to be allowed to discuss topics in an open, democratic way without fear of reprisals.
I think it's genuinely dangerous for our society that we're reached a point where criticising someone's religion, culture or lifestyle is no longer acceptable. These things have to be up for debate even if it raises difficult questions.
The problem is that respect has to be mutual. Most of the Muslims I've worked alongside are happy to demand that their rights and religion are treated with respect. However, they're utterly prejudiced and unwilling to tolerate anyone that has beliefs or a way of life which is different to their own. Basically it's a case of them expecting you to protect their rights whilst happily treading on those of people who don't share their worldview. I found their general views towards Christians, atheists, LGBT groups, etc utterly repugnant to be honest.
I'm in no way excusing the terrible atrocities being committed. Violence should never be the answer is ultimately a failure of people to engage with each other meaningfully.
I do feel we have a serious issue in Western countries with people being unable to criticise any group without being labelled and branded. This is in my opinion what's driving the rise of right-wing politics and the only way to stop it is for people to be allowed to discuss topics in an open, democratic way without fear of reprisals.
I think it's genuinely dangerous for our society that we're reached a point where criticising someone's religion, culture or lifestyle is no longer acceptable. These things have to be up for debate even if it raises difficult questions.
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Always confused me as to why the likes of Owen Jones is so intent on defending a faith in which many followers believe he should be killed for his sexuality.
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You just ticked all the boxes to be labelled a racist bigot around these parts.
It is fueling the far right. They don't seem to understand you can't just silence a section of society forever. It will boil over (again), maybe it needs to a little bit so people realise.
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This sounds like you are saying we needed 49 people to get killed by a loonatic for people to realise?!
In many ways it's admirable to be so tolerant but I do worry there's a certain level of naivety behind it when dealing with a group who clearly don't share your values or worldview.
I've actually felt quite self-conscious that I'am becoming more "racist" in my old age! It's a strange feeling as when I was younger I used to see more elderly relatives openly being racist and used to call them out on it. However, I've found that as I've grown in life experience I've learned that, whilst it's important to treat others with respect, this needs to be a two-way thing.
If you're being tolerant and granting special rights to another group whilst they're openly criticising your religion, culture and values that isn't admirable. It just means you're being naive.
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