Right Wing terrorist attack in Surrey

StriderX said:
We denounce drugs all the time and yet children are still smoking, drinking and getting high.

It’s pretty much the same thing, even if they were denouncing it, they would just be rebellious anyway.

You can’t prove that parents aren’t denouncing it ( if you could I’m sure nsa or gchq would love to talk to you), so this line of discussion is entirely pointless.
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It's not the same thing at all.
 
Good news, nice to see a politician not bought by the gun lobby. New Zealand's handling of this atrocity has been exemplary.

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C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Good news, nice to see a politician not bought by the gun lobby. New Zealand's handling of this atrocity has been exemplary.

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Why don’t you go to the Dutch attack thread and offer your condolences there?

Your not saying one word of condolence or commiseration about it speaks magnitudes.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Yep, great to see 5 million law abiding citizens rights stripped because of one incident by a non native. No vote or anything, democracy at its finest.
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The guy already broke loads of laws by modifying the gun and killing people with it, so basically they're creating laws to stop people who don't care about laws, and they're punishing people who didn't break the law.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Yep, great to see 5 million law abiding citizens rights stripped because of one incident by a non native. No vote or anything, democracy at its finest.
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it's what you appoint sensible leaders to do. pass laws to the benefit of all people.

why do they need to own guns in the first place?

you can pretty much guarantee if they banned guns in america. murders would decrease in rapid numbers. yes people would still be murdered just nowhere as easy.

only a mentalist would disagree with banning guns. how many situations have you been in or anyone you know in the UK where you thought. you know what i really wish I and everyone else in this room had a gun right now because that would really help this situation.
 
silvagti said:
I used to consider myself very left wing and tolerant of all cultures but I've found myself feeling far less inclined to view things as live and let live as I've grown older. I think chiefly what's changed my viewpoint is, ironically, working alongside several Muslims.

The problem is that respect has to be mutual. Most of the Muslims I've worked alongside are happy to demand that their rights and religion are treated with respect. However, they're utterly prejudiced and unwilling to tolerate anyone that has beliefs or a way of life which is different to their own. Basically it's a case of them expecting you to protect their rights whilst happily treading on those of people who don't share their worldview. I found their general views towards Christians, atheists, LGBT groups, etc utterly repugnant to be honest.

I'm in no way excusing the terrible atrocities being committed. Violence should never be the answer is ultimately a failure of people to engage with each other meaningfully.

I do feel we have a serious issue in Western countries with people being unable to criticise any group without being labelled and branded. This is in my opinion what's driving the rise of right-wing politics and the only way to stop it is for people to be allowed to discuss topics in an open, democratic way without fear of reprisals.

I think it's genuinely dangerous for our society that we're reached a point where criticising someone's religion, culture or lifestyle is no longer acceptable. These things have to be up for debate even if it raises difficult questions.
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Out of curiosity, can you succinctly explain how/when your Muslim coworkers "happily trod on people who don't share their worldview"? Also, who was it that prevented you from criticising any group and when did they do it?
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Yep, great to see 5 million law abiding citizens rights stripped because of one incident by a non native. No vote or anything, democracy at its finest.
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When will you get it?

You live in a representative democracy... and so do the vast majority of democracies.

You strip yourselves of the right over the collective when you cast a vote in these systems, just like when you strip yourself of the right not to pay tax when you live and work.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
why do they need to own guns in the first place?
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For quite a few reasons, not limited to pest control, hunting for food, wildlife population control (culls), target shooting, sports shooting, clay pigeon shooting, Olympic games qualification and many others including for myself (shock/horror) "entertainment" because shooting safely and responsibly is fun and I personally got enjoyment from it.

However, because a terrorist illegally modified his legally held weapons to aid him in his attack, the 99.9% of legal, responsible owners will potentially have their existing ownership rights removed in a "close the door after the horse has bolted" knee-jerk reaction.
 
ianh said:
For quite a few reasons, not limited to pest control, hunting for food, wildlife population control (culls), target shooting, sports shooting, clay pigeon shooting, Olympic games qualification and many others including for myself (shock/horror) "entertainment" because shooting safely and responsibly is fun and I personally got enjoyment from it.

However, because a terrorist illegally modified his legally held weapons to aid him in his attack, the 99.9% of legal, responsible owners will potentially have their existing ownership rights removed in a "close the door after the horse has bolted" knee-jerk reaction.
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Hunting for food? Do you even believe this bs? You don't need semi-automatic rifles to kill deer, mate. Nor do you need them to qualify for the Olympics. :rolleyes:
 
Worked great in Australia and considering it has the support of the majority of Kiwi's it's the fair & democratic thing to do

No civilised society needs these weapons of war
 
ianh said:
For quite a few reasons, not limited to pest control, hunting for food, wildlife population control (culls), target shooting, sports shooting, clay pigeon shooting, Olympic games qualification and many others including for myself (shock/horror) "entertainment" because shooting safely and responsibly is fun and I personally got enjoyment from it.

However, because a terrorist illegally modified his legally held weapons to aid him in his attack, the 99.9% of legal, responsible owners will potentially have their existing ownership rights removed in a "close the door after the horse has bolted" knee-jerk reaction.
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pest control? like what? is there no other way to do this without a gun?

hunting for food? don't make me laugh. when is the last time anyone here needed to hunt for food?

wildlife population control - this just proves you are a mentalist. how about we control the population of gun owners by rounding them all up and shooting them?

target shooting - can this not be done at a gun club where the guns are hired and kept on site under strict security where they cannot leave the premises?
 
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