New Zealand Killer Trial

[ttaskmaster]

Bloody Sunday is being widely covered in the news right now.

Which one?
There have been several "Bloody Sunday"s since 1940...

I wouldnt disagree there's been an increase in mass murder attacks. I just pointed out random killings aren't new. I still remember sitting watching coverage or Columbine, and now it seems almost routine.

^ And that was my point. They're happening so much more often that even people who have some experience of this sort of thing no longer find them as horrific and disturbing as they once did. Everyone just goes, "Another thirty schoolchildren gunned down in America? Meh... Must be Tuesday, then".

Do you believe it's media influenced? Social isolation?

Probably a fair degree of those, at least, but compounded by other factors.

Ready availability of military grade assault weapons? Too much call of duty?

Less so, given that people can still go killing even with tightly regulated gun laws and the like.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

 

[RDM]

Until it was mentioned in this thread I had no idea about any association between White Power and the OK symbol.

If you don't waste time in the cesspits of the internet then it still just means OK.

 

[Minusorange]

Malcolm and his brother are Nazi's

 

[Yadda]

It's perfect because when pointed out, a picture of someone innocently making the gesture can be posted in response.

It's not something I was aware of until quite recently but I had noticed well known white supremacy types using the emote in their Twitter account names. There are also pictures of those types making the gesture in an abviously contrived way.

Some people spotted them a long time ago though and warned of the danger.

 

[StriderX]

Until it was mentioned in this thread I had no idea about any association between White Power and the OK symbol.

If you don't waste time in the cesspits of the internet then it still just means OK.

Just like how nazi symbolism is outside of the war theatre of WW2, it was mostly innocuous at first to the majority of people, yet it’s still offensive. This symbolism will grow into something you’ll hate discussing, because of its gaslighting nature.

But it’s going to evolve regardless of your opinion on it. So you can argue the same point ad nauseum if it makes you feel better.

I offer for you to nazi salute in the middle of Jerusalem and see how far your freedom gets you.

 

[lurkio]

never even knew this scumbags name until you posted it here

 

[Greebo]

Lets stop now, or the thread will only descend and up getting nuked like others.

Well if people could stop the personal abuse or stop defending his actions then it might stay open. But its GD so unlikley

 

[Greebo]

You are 4chan's target audience. That's a troll they organised. Unless I'm gravely mistaken about the White Supremacist leanings of Eddie Murphy and Occasio-Cortez:

Gesture has been around forever. Some people just decided it would be great if they spread the word that it was a White Supremacy code for either the lols, to convince people there was a lot more racism out there than they thought, or most likely both.

To be fair the original troll thread on 4chan said that the far right should start this to send the left into meltdown and that far right supporters should start using the symbol then they can tag loads of famous people the left love as being far right.

So clearly not everybody using the symbol are far right (just like the swastika was fine before the Nazi's used it) and especially if you are going to go back 40 years for film clips, but anybody who is far right using it is basically using it cause they are far right it is now a symbol representing them.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

I have a strong feeling this scumbag will become the first person in New Zealand to be sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. AKA Justice

 

[GGizmo]

I don't agree with a total ban on the footage. Put warning signs up if the media sites need to. Put it in restrictive viewing. But banning people from seeing it is wrong.

One of the big problems we have in todays society is that, to differing degrees, people seem not to realise the consequences of their actions. By putting a total ban on seeing the video we can't see the human suffering that his actions caused. It would have been a teachable moment to educate people.

I don't understand why the government people advocate for banning this, while at the same time advocate we should have holocaust memorial education. Surely the same lessons can be learned from all events like this.

 

[StriderX]

I don't agree with a total ban on the footage. Put warning signs up if the media sites need to. Put it in restrictive viewing. But banning people from seeing it is wrong.

One of the big problems we have in todays society is that, to differing degrees, people seem not to realise the consequences of their actions. By putting a total ban on seeing the video we can't see the human suffering that his actions caused. It would have been a teachable moment to educate people.

I don't understand why the government people advocate for banning this, while at the same time advocate we should have holocaust memorial education. Surely the same lessons can be learned from all events like this.

Some people would see suffering, others will see something desirable.

This video is narcissistic garbage aimed exactly at promoting the violence as a tool, **** it and destroy anyone who shares it.

Don’t even bother with public trials, just pop down the door and drag em out. In fact video it with GoPro, share it online and see how quickly it changes.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

It's a snuff film, last time I checked its illegal to watch or posses snuff films in the UK.
Also people that actively seek out these sort of videos are properly messed up in the head and need to seek professional help ASAP

 

[Greebo]

I don't agree with a total ban on the footage. Put warning signs up if the media sites need to. Put it in restrictive viewing. But banning people from seeing it is wrong.

One of the big problems we have in todays society is that, to differing degrees, people seem not to realise the consequences of their actions. By putting a total ban on seeing the video we can't see the human suffering that his actions caused. It would have been a teachable moment to educate people.

I don't understand why the government people advocate for banning this, while at the same time advocate we should have holocaust memorial education. Surely the same lessons can be learned from all events like this.

Would you be saying that if that had happened in the UK and it was your family on the video being shot in cold blood?

 

[Scam]

Would you be saying that if that had happened in the UK and it was your family on the video being shot in cold blood?

This.

Also @BowdonUK I'd be interested in exactly why you think ****rags like the Daily Mail need to post the video. I don't need to see a GoPro video of a horrific car crash to know that e.g. 4 people died and one seriously injured.

 

[GGizmo]

Would you be saying that if that had happened in the UK and it was your family on the video being shot in cold blood?

Why not? Then the world can see what an evil ******* he is?

Should we not show the holocaust camps in ww2? Those dead bodies were all people too.

Because we can't even imagine what he's fully done he's free to preach his message in court.

For the record, I've not seen the video, nor have I attempted to try and find it. I just believe we need a reality check. We hear about stabbings, shootings, murders all the times these days and we've become immunue to it. I'm not that old but even at 41 I remember when a murder was a shocking thing and local people would be nervous for weeks after. These days we hear about a stabbing in London and just think "oh, another one".

 

[Greebo]

Why not? Then the world can see what an evil B*stard he is?

Should we not show the holocaust camps in ww2? Those dead bodies were all people too.

Because we can't even imagine what he's fully done he's free to preach his message in court.

I can imagine enough thanks without seeing the video. I do think people who want to watch the video should seriously consider seeking help. Nobody should want to watch it. Thats enough for me to say that it shouldnt be freely available.

 

[NoobCannon]

It's a snuff film, last time I checked its illegal to watch or posses snuff films in the UK.
Also people that actively seek out these sort of videos are properly messed up in the head and need to seek professional help ASAP

What a big old pile of nonsense.

What right have you got to judge anyone, plenty of people including my self i might add watched it because i wanted too, i didnt enjoy watching it but much like an example given earlier of rubber necking at an accident its curiosity.

Unfortunately it seems your user name checks out.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

It also creates the supply & demand equation.
If messed up people want to watch humans being killed for entertainment purposes it encourages others to commit more videoed murders.

Rubber necking isn't the same, most people just want to see whats going on whats happened. That's fundamentally different to knowing whats happened and then actively seeking out the graphic viewing of it.
One is natural curiosity, the other is messed up and not normal.

Hopefully they can trace the sick animals who were watching the livestream and shouting/posting encouragement and send them to prison or a padded room

 

[StriderX]

What a big old pile of nonsense.

What right have you got to judge anyone, plenty of people including my self i might add watched it because i wanted too, i didnt enjoy watching it but much like an example given earlier of rubber necking at an accident its curiosity.

Unfortunately it seems your user name checks out.

Ah yes curious about the brutal murder of people. Truly of sound mind.

So casual, I truly hope the world descends just enough to erase this depressing acceptance of violence.