Facebook to ban white nationalism and separatism

[Caracus2k]

The western world historically has treated women and other people of different colour in western society as a 2nd class citizen, that is a fact.

All races have had tendency to treat others as second class citizens and women have been treated likewise across time and different races and cultures.

Stopping being racist and making it all about whitey or ill start citing stats for some other cultural/ racial ethnic groups a little bit more close to home maybe that might make for some uncomfortable reading.

I don't remember any law written for all white men to be equal.

Perhaps because there aren't any racist and exist laws saying as such in th main... but rather laws, quite common in Western nations, that assert that all people should be treated equally bu the state and under the law.

The absence of a "all white men are equal law" is a refutation of racisim and sexism not evidence for it.

 

[Raymond Lin]

All races have had tendency to treat others as second class citizens and women have been treated likewise across time and different races and cultures.

Stopping being racist and making it all about whitey or ill start citing stats for some other cultural/ racial ethnic groups a little bit more close to home maybe that might make for some uncomfortable reading.


Perhaps because there aren't any racist and exist laws saying as such in th main... but rather laws, quite common in Western nations, that assert that all people should be treated equally bu the state and under the law.

The absence of a "all white men are equal law" is a refutation of racisim and sexism not evidence for it.

I mean in countries where Whites are not the majority.

Fact - Facebook crackdown is hardly comparable to say gas chambers, it's hardly worth your breath.
Fact - The whites have had an advantage, and continues to have an advantage in our society.
Fact - People of colour have been a disadvantage and still am in a disadvantage in our society
Fact - You would still prefer to be born white given the choice. (I would be lying if I would say no to that and I am not white)

 

[Roar87]

Laws had to be made for women to have equal rights to vote.
Laws had to be made for blacks to have equal rights at all.
I don't remember any law written for all white men to be equal.

Well you don't remember very well then, voting used to only be extended to land owners who's property was worth over 40 shillings, due to inflation this was extended to more and more people. For some context though in 1831 out of 16.5 million people only 439,000 were able to vote. Men voting was basically just down to a custom rather than any specific law until 1832 when it was enshrined in law, but up until that point some women who were land owners were actually able to vote. Then in 1928 everyone was able to vote thanks to the Equal Franchise Act 1928.

 

[Diddums]

Hi, I would like to register my outrage please, can someone please point me to the yelling booth?

 

[Caracus2k]

Fact - Facebook crackdown is hardly comparable to say gas chambers, it's hardly worth your breath.

I'm not really sure what your on about here to be honest. .. that the gas Chambers were very bad doesn't invalidate the idea that selective treatment of racical/ ethno nationalism isn't also a bad idea even if only to a lesser extent

Fact - The whites have had an advantage, and continues to have an advantage in our society.

Demonstarably not a 'fact' certain minorities outperform the average for whites and certain non white miniorites are afforded legal advantage on a racial basis in some Western nations (I. E affirmative action)

Fact - People of colour have been a disadvantage and still am in a disadvantage in our society

As above demonstrably not a 'fact'

Fact - You would still prefer to be born white given the choice. (I would be lying if I would say no to that and I am not white)

If in a theoretical re incarnation scenario I would have any preference for coming back as white man in the UK say rather then any other group it would be almost exclusively because that is what I already know and I wouldn't really be me, as I am now in personality wise, if I for example came back as a black woman in the UK.

I would say its rather sad that you seem to be suffering from a high degree of internalised racial inferiority.... But it does maybe explain a lot of your views.

It rather bizarre that you belive being re incarnated in a white body would lead to an automatic boon to your life chance in the West.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Well you don't remember very well then, voting used to only be extended to land owners who's property was worth over 40 shillings, due to inflation this was extended to more and more people. For some context though in 1831 out of 16.5 million people only 439,000 were able to vote. Men voting was basically just down to a custom rather than any specific law until 1832 when it was enshrined in law, but up until that point some women who were land owners were actually able to vote. Then in 1928 everyone was able to vote thanks to the Equal Franchise Act 1928.

Yes I fully remembered there were class differences too, what can I say, humans as a whole are racist, they do not like anything that are dissimilar to themselves. This does not limit to white, it goes the other way. However, what we are talking about here is facebook to limit a platform for racist, they already crack down on those on the other side (ISIS) etc so what's the problem?

 

[Raymond Lin]

I'm not really sure what your on about here to be honest. .. that the gas Chambers were very bad doesn't invalidate the idea that selective treatment of racical/ ethno nationalism isn't also a bad idea even if only to a lesser extent



Demonstarably not a 'fact' certain minorities outperform the average for whites and certain non white miniorites are afforded legal advantage on a racial basis in some Western nations (I. E affirmative action)



As above demonstrably not a 'fact'



If in a theoretical re incarnation scenario I would have any preference for coming back as white man in the UK say rather then any other group it would be almost exclusively because taat is what I already know and I wouldn't really be me, as I am now in personality, I boor example I came back as a black woman in the UK.

Its would say its rather sad that you seem to be suffering from a high degree of internalised racial inferiority.... But it does maybe explain a lot of your views that you apparently believe being re incarnated in a white body would lead to an automatic boon to your life chance in tee West.

The last time nationalism went super popular people went into the gas chamber.

Nip it in the bud.

 

[Dis86]

Fact - People of colour...

OMG Ray, noooo. Don't use that term! The mods have decreed that it is racist.

 

[Hagar]

I'll just add, Jesus Christ - White male (really?).

 

[Randomface74]

I'll just add, Jesus Christ - White male (really?).

Until they make him a black trans woman. Watch this space.

 

[Caracus2k]

The last time nationalism went super popular people went into the gas chamber.

Nip it in the bud.

So we agree excessive nationalism is bad?

Can we follow the logical conclusion then and condemn all excessive nationalism and not just certain types?

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Until they make him a black trans woman. Watch this space.

Hey dude, when you have views like this:

I believe in the future there won't be homosexuality because it isn't natural and the current fad will have passed.

You've said all we need to hear.

 

[Roar87]

Yes I fully remembered there were class differences too, what can I say, humans as a whole are racist, they do not like anything that are dissimilar to themselves. This does not limit to white, it goes the other way. However, what we are talking about here is facebook to limit a platform for racist, they already crack down on those on the other side (ISIS) etc so what's the problem?

The problem is that Facebook has only applied a rule to white groups, it seems fairly straight forward that they should have rules that apply equally to all groups.

 

[Hagar]

So we agree excessive nationalism is bad?

Can we follow the logical conclusion then and condemn all excessive nationalism and not just certain types?

Quite, Black nationalism, Hindu nationalism, Islamic nationalism, Slavic nationalism, the list is endless.

 

[Raymond Lin]

The problem is that Facebook has only applied a rule to white groups, it seems fairly straight forward that they should have rules that apply equally to all groups.

Why don't you start an Islamic extremist group and see how far you'd get?

 

[ianh]

To play devil's advocates on the other side but are you comparing to "views" to something say.....

I'm not comparing anything. I've given examples of why some white straight men may believe they are under "attack" - any comparisons you wish to make are in the realm of "whataboutism" which isn't covered in my post because they dilute the specific discussion being had.

 

[Roar87]

Why don't you start an Islamic extremist group and see how far you'd get?

What if I start a Black Nationalist group celebrating Black achievements and celebrating how good Black people are, then I try and do the same for Whites?

 

[Dis86]

Why don't you start an Islamic extremist group and see how far you'd get?

He probably wouldn't get very far. However if he started a black-power group or a feminist group I imagine he wouldn't be bothered at all.

 

[VincentHanna]

He probably wouldn't get very far. However if he started a black-power group or a feminist group I imagine he wouldn't be bothered at all.

Feminists are nationalists?

 

[Hagar]

Feminists are nationalists?

I expect he means a direct action group or hope so. But extreme feminism could be construed along the same or similar lines as well as other very polarised viewpoints.