Most female lawyers leave in their 30s to have children.
Widening graduate gender pay gap
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Most female lawyers leave in their 30s to have children.
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Are you implying a Ph.D in the gender studies field is somehow easier than a Ph.D in the engineering field?
Because if you are, you're assumption is incorrect.
So are you saying that a PH.D in Engineering field is somehow easier than a Ph.D in the gender studies field?
Because one will most definitely be more difficult than the other, it is almost impossible for them to be "as hard" as eachother.
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The 'leave' bit is the issue that needs resolving. Businesses should be promoting flexible working and a suitable work/life balance to ensure mothers (or fathers - I've been there, choosing to take VR to look after our children) don't have to choose between work and home - the two are perfectly capable of co-existing.
There us no real gender pay gap. They even claim there is one in the civil service, where everyone is on exactly the same pay scales. How can there be?
Then you look in to it and see it's an "average" pay gap, where they are factoring in women who work part-time hours (which is much more than men) and maternity leave...
Then you look in to it and see it's an "average" pay gap, where they are factoring in women who work part-time hours (which is much more than men) and maternity leave...
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There are multiple points on the pay scales, with more men being on the upper points vs women, ergo, a pay gap.
I agree, however it is very hard for many businesses to do so.
Take a business that requires the management to moderate labour costs, one of the management team is a woman who has become pregnant, she decides to take her full maternity leave and she leaves for an entire year.
In this year as the company requires somebody to fulfil her role, they then need somebody to take her place... They spend a year in that role training and working hard only when that person comes back to a) be told to step down or b) the business must take the labour hit.
Both of these options are detrimental to everyone involved, i see no alternative to this situation and it can really cause huge issues in small businesses..
Then there is the other issue that the managers who haven't taken maternity leave are earning bonuses based on performance and cost control, this bonus isn't awarded to the manager on maternity because she isnt contributing to the day-to-day performance of the business.
Many people would then look at this company over a 5 year window and say "Why did your female managers earn less than the male managers?", a more "progressive" government will force the workplace to make that gap non-existant thus giving the woman on maternity leave a higher pay for less work.
There are so many situations in which the gender pay gap is just so flawed its unreal.
Thats an earnings gap, not a pay gap.
But there are more men.
They love to push (often underqualified/inexperienced) women up the ranks now though to tick the diversity boxes. So how is that fair?
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Cool redefinition to suit your narrative and bias, which is amusing as that's what you seem to accusing the 'other side' of.
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In the civil service? Are you sure?
In skilled positions at least.
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And why are there more men in skilled positions?
Eh?
Earnings is:
x men exist and earn y
x women exist and earn y
y1 - y2 = earnings gap
Pay gap is:
Men in a job earn Y
Women in the same job earn Y
y1 - y2 = pay gap (zero difference)
Try finding women in to IT or construction. Or waste disposal...
I see lots of encouragement for women to become engineers etc, but bin collections is pretty much 100% men. So why aren't they also being encouraged to apply for those jobs? Or is manual work below women? Equality works both ways, you can't just cherry pick. They need to do the **** jobs too.
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A pay scale IS the same job, so by your definition there is a pay gap.
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Good ninja edit on trying to hide suggesting women aren't qualified to do higher skilled jobs
What are you on about?
Women are by law paid the same amount for doing the same job as their male counterparts..
If they chose to work less hours that pay will not match, that shouldn't be magically matched by some incentive given to the employer.. because then the men would be discriminated against..
research shows that regardless of what you do women WILL ALWAYS work less than men, even if you try and force it otherwise.
Women prefer having families to having careers, on average. There aren't very many men going to work part time so they can stay home and look after the kids.
Not at all. Its not a cop out, its simply wrong.
Science and statistics is not subjective and it doesn't care about your feelings or your opinion.
You take a multi-variant problem with hundreds if not thousands of factors involved and reduce it to a simple binary argument you are factually wrong.