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Nvidia Fire Shots At AMD’s 7nm Graphics Technology

Martini1991 said:
The difference with Fermi was while it was hotter and used more power, the GTX480 was the fastest single GPU around. AMD manage to be worse in all metrics for performance parity at best.
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That's true, but that doesn't change the argument people had back then about how unimportant power consumption was.

I'm currently on nVidia GPUs, I haven't bought an AMD GPU in a long time. I don't care that nVidia are more power efficient, in a general context. I'm not buying AMD until they're good enough, and unfortunately for me they still haven't got to that point. If they beat nVidia on performance, then I'd get an AMD card. The paper efficiency is only an academic factor that's interesting to talk about in the context of architecture, and then to OEMs when putting chips in tight spaces.

But equally, I'm not buying anything nVidia at the moment either because their current cards are straight up trash and have no value to me.

I personally don't see the 2080Ti as being a worthy upgrade to the 1080Ti/Titan X Pascal.

I currently have a Titan X Pascal that I got for around the same price as a 1080Ti just as the prices of GPUs started going mental because of mining.

I can see me having this card for a while longer until AMD or nVidia release an actual upgrade that isn't holding a delusional price tag.
 
TNA said:
A lot of that drop is from crypto too to be fair. But yeah, they need to get 7nm out asap and go back to their old pricing model which worked. 3080 Ti at $699 and people will soon forget about everything and throw their money at Nvidia. They are better of doing smaller die's and pricing like before imo.
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It was on them for pricing their cards so obnoxiously though. They needed the smack they received for doing that.
 
spoffle said:
But equally, I'm not buying anything nVidia at the moment either because their current cards are straight up trash and have no value to me.
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The RTX Titan is definitely not trash and very nice to use but unfortunately not practical solely as a gaming card.

2080 Ti is targeted as a gaming card and again not trash but it is overpriced.
 
spoffle said:
It was on them for pricing their cards so obnoxiously though. They needed the smack they received for doing that.
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Yep, if anything they need a bigger slap. Just look, some people on gibbo’s recent thread think 2080 is a good price at £600. Lol. That performance level has been available at that price for years.. 2080 should be £399-£499 card, £499 being the ASUS tax version. Then I would agree it is a deal. Sad state of affairs imo.

People should be talking about price for performance a lot more, instead talk about power efficiency that will save them a few quid a year on electricity... What is a few quid a year when overpaying hundreds of pounds and lining shareholders pockets on over priced cards?

How shameful is it when they price a 2060 class GPU for over £300?


Kaapstad said:
Turing is a problem for everyone price wise whether they use the cards or not.

NVidia have messed up so bad on product price and placement it is unreal.
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Could not agree more. They would be stupid to do it again. They need to go no larger than 500mm2 for 3080 Ti and lower price.


Gregster said:
I guess I deserve the flak for posting a news article :(
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Poor Gregster :p;)
 
TNA said:
Yep, if anything they need a bigger slap. Just look, some people on gibbo’s recent thread think 2080 is a good price at £600. Lol. That performance level has been available at that price for years.. 2080 should be £399-£499 card, £499 being the ASUS tax version. Then I would agree it is a deal. Sad state of affairs imo.

People should be talking about price for performance a lot more, instead talk about power efficiency that will save them a few quid a year on electricity... What is a few quid a year when overpaying hundreds of pounds and lining shareholders pockets on over priced cards?
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As it stands the VII costs more to buy, costs more to run and performance at best parity.

AMD are just as much to blame about poor pricing as Nvidia
 
Martini1991 said:
As it stands the VII costs more to buy, costs more to run and performance at best parity.

AMD are just as much to blame about poor pricing as Nvidia
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Do you see me ever excusing them? Not that I fully agree with your statement.

Do you really think AMD’s graphics division is making huge profits on the GPU’s they sell? They are probably all to happy that Nvidia are charging these silly prices, that way they can still be in the game scraping small profits until their new architecture comes out.

It is Nvidia that has the lion share of the market and the one’s making huge profits. Even if their share prices are down from the high’s of last year, overall they are still MUCH higher than 2016. That no doubt is because they are taking bigger profits from us. The main reason AMD shares ever went up was because of Ryzen.
 
TNA said:
Do you see me ever excusing them? Not that I fully agree with your statement.

Do you really think AMD’s graphics division is making huge profits on the GPU’s they sell? They are probably all to happy that Nvidia are charging these silly prices, that way they can still be in the game scraping small profits until their new architecture comes out.

It is Nvidia that has the lion share of the market and the one’s making huge profits. Even if their share prices are down from the high’s of last year, overall they are still MUCH higher than 2016. That no doubt is because they are taking bigger profits from us. The main reason AMD shares ever went up was because of Ryzen.
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All I care about (As you put it) is performance per price. I'm not here to care about profit margins because I don't care about either company.

If team red has a product at a price point I see reasonable then I will buy, same goes for green.

That said, if Nvidia priced AMD out of the market then AMD would be basically gone out of the discrete GPU space. AMD are lucky Intel was complacent in the CPU space.
 
Martini1991 said:
All I care about (As you put it) is performance per price. I'm not here to care about profit margins because I don't care about either company.

If team red has a product at a price point I see reasonable then I will buy, same goes for green.

That said, if Nvidia priced AMD out of the market then AMD would be basically gone out of the discrete GPU space. AMD are lucky Intel was complacent in the CPU space.
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I agree with all that, my issue was with you saying they are just as much to blame. That is not true imo.

I also don’t care about either company, I care about my bank balance, just as they care about theirs and their shareholders.
 
TNA said:
I agree with all that, my issue was with you saying they are just as much to blame. That is not true imo.

I also don’t care about either company, I care about my bank balance, just as they care about theirs and their shareholders.
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AMD are responsible for their own lack of offerings at reasonable prices. Of course they're to blame.
 
Martini1991 said:
AMD are responsible for their own lack of offerings at reasonable prices. Of course they're to blame.
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I think you need to catch up on some sleep bro. I never said they were not to blame. Go read again :)

Let me highlight the part for you to help out:

Martini1991 said:
AMD are just as much to blame about poor pricing as Nvidia
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There is a big difference between having blame and having just as much blame.
 
shankly1985 said:
Yeah sure Nvidia is easy winning on the power consumption, but lets be perfectly honest here guys!! Not one of you care apart from using it has a up one over on AMD!!"
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Speak for yourself. Have been building quiet PCs since about 2001 and efficiency is often the deciding factor when choosing between components. It's the main reason I've chosen to wait for Ryzen 2 over buying an 8 core intel, for example.
 
TNA said:
I think you need to catch up on some sleep bro. I never said they were not to blame. Go read again :)

Let me highlight the part for you to help out:



There is a big difference between having blame and having just as much blame.
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It's not a game of who's more to blame.
Your grievance is of course the result of capitalism.
 
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Nobody cares about power efficiency or heat generated?
If that was really the case why does nearly every 'what GPU' thread have an AMD recommendation swiftly followed with 'but if you underclock it it runs so much better and cooler'.
Funny that seeing as nobody cares about power usage.

Bottom line is while the green team are on top efficiency wise 'we' (yes I definitely put myself into the green camp) will use it to show up the red team. Just as the red team did when they were on top efficiency wise.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
How does an undervolted but otherwise stock Vega do in comparison to a 1080 in terms of perf/watt?
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It's a hard one to answer, firstly nvidia can also be undervolted so I have to remind people this.

2. Most people quote the power consumption of Vega56/64 from Gpu-z or Hwinfo, this is inaccurate and doesn't take into account the power for the Hbm and the voltage regulation. Generally you need to add 30-40w to a software power reading for Vega.

3. Many factors will affect the peak and lows of current draw in both cards, but generally a stock 1080 aib will draw around 160-185w.
A stock Vega has 3 different p-tables (powersave/turbo/balancee and some have x2 bioses with a lower power limit, so the aib will draw around a real 200-335w+ stock.

At 1440p 75hz, Undervolted in my experience I could run my v64 reference with hbm at 1150mhz, with a 1400mhz core @900mv this would see around 160-200 real watts. 1500mhz at 0.95v would see 220-240w, and 1600mhz@ 1.05v would see 260-300 watts.
However some game engines really work well with Vega and in situations you can see power drop to 40-60w off those averages.

Really the voltage scaling and power consumption is pushed too far after 1550mhz and you're looking at an extra 80 watts per every 100mhz for an extra 1/2fps increase.
 
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