THREAD BUMP: Max Clifford defense exhibit A: penis size

I never said there are no false allegations I just think that, with cases such as Stuart Hall, the benefit is greater for justice overall and for the victims who felt unable to come forward before.

In regards to the context that you were unwilling again to refer to the whole sentence speaks volumes.

To the next part then there are plenty of allowances and special conditions placed depending on the nature of the victim and the crime committed - this is not an isolated case across the criminal justice system.

I never said you or anyone else wanted the anonymity removed I was just wondering how far you were willing to go with treating everyone the same.

Lastly, I never insinuated you were a rape apologist. I would say I suggested you had double standards and didn't understand the concept of equality. I suggested that you joined the debate (again) at that point to back up a position you agreed with by setting a standard on the discussion which you had not raised before and failed to live up to its standards since.

Frankly, if you get upset when someone accuses you of having a 'special interest' then you shouldn't come online. Everyone has special interests - for example Stockhausen will always raise the cause of the traditional left, Dolph will always champion the promotion of individual responsibility, Castiel will always enter any thread on the nature of religion, it would be fair to assume you are from the same cloth - having interests, I thought maybe this was one of those 'special interests' namely the shame and degradation of people who are false accused of instigating sex crimes. No more or no less - so leave the disgust out of it eh.
 
Acquittal is not the end of the matter, plenty of innocent people have been imprisoned and plenty of guilty people have been let off.

...and just as many never even get to court, as their crimes can remain concealed.
Like those 'service' industry workers, who never declare themselves as self-employed, and don't pay their due taxes. Hurts everyone, that loss of revenue.
 
Acquittal is not the end of the matter, plenty of innocent people have been imprisoned and plenty of guilty people have been let off.

But that isn't relevant, barring significant new evidence, the matter is closed.

In other criminal proceedings (for example, the recent case of nigella lawson's aides), the public gets to make their own judgments on the accused and the accuser. This acts as a balance and a protection for both sides. When one part of that equation is removed, the other side should be too. Or to put it another way, if we can't know the identity of the party that some may not believe, the other party should also be afforded the same protection. Currently we have a situation where those who think therw is no smoke without fire get to spread that belief and make those statements, as you have, but those who found the other side's position to be flawed cannot do the same.

There are two ways to resolve this imbalance, and as I would never support or advocate removing anonymity from the victim, we must remove unfairness the other way.
 
...and just as many never even get to court, as their crimes can remain concealed.
Like those 'service' industry workers, who never declare themselves as self-employed, and don't pay their due taxes. Hurts everyone, that loss of revenue.

Made all the worse by their hypocritical rantings about the unfairness of society when they are part of the problem. At that point any credibility is lost as they are just full of ****.
 
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Why is length always the measure. I've been told by many a girl that I am very big ;) but it's not the length (around 7") it's the girth. I've measured it (c'mon who hasn't) and it's the same diameter as a can of Red Bull! :O

Only a red bull? Was she complaining it was too thin? :p
 
Max Clifford's conviction for sex offences upheld by the court of appeal.

More than a year after the disgraced "celebrity publicist" died in prison.

What was the purpose of the appeal?

Might it have been because his daughter was trying to prevent herself from being ruined by civil cases/whatever made against her Dad?

Seems a bit unfair that children should be punished for the sins of their Fathers as it were. :/
 
What was the purpose of the appeal?

Might it have been because his daughter was trying to prevent herself from being ruined by civil cases/whatever made against her Dad?

Seems a bit unfair that children should be punished for the sins of their Fathers as it were. :/
If that were the case (and I've seen no indication that it is), then it would be his estate that was being sued, not his daughter .

Now, she may have stood to inherit, but with a civil case pending (going along with your theory here ), his estate would rightly need to pay for that before his kids can keep what's left.
 
What was the purpose of the appeal?
Might it have been because his daughter was trying to prevent herself from being ruined by civil cases/whatever made against her Dad?
Seems a bit unfair that children should be punished for the sins of their Fathers as it were. :/
Dunno, according to the Guardian:
Louise Clifford, who used to work at her father’s publicity firm, decided to continue with the legal appeal because she “has wanted to do what she can to restore his reputation”, according to the lawyer.
Frankly, if some of his victims are pursuing his Estate for compensation, I say
"Good Luck, you deserve anything you can get."​
 
If that were the case (and I've seen no indication that it is), then it would be his estate that was being sued, not his daughter .

Now, she may have stood to inherit, but with a civil case pending (going along with your theory here ), his estate would rightly need to pay for that before his kids can keep what's left.

So yes, if it goes against the estate, it will go against her.

Doesn't really seem fair somehow.

But again, this is one of those cases where only the bloody lawyers win!

:(
 
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