The Sultan Has anal, no one else can.

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Yadda said:
Which folk? Well, those who in general don't give a monkeys about gay rights yet as soon as a Muslim country discriminates against gays, they're suddenly up in arms.
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I'm already aware you believe some people seemingly don't care about gays being stoned aside form the fact that muslims are doing it - I was asking you which posters you're referring to?

It seems your first replies to this news story are posts to make jokes about it, fair enough, you've then gone on a bit of a mission to engage in some whataboutery then seemingly call out some unspecified posters albeit you're apparently not quite sure enough to actually name them or clarify what exactly you're referring to.
 
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dowie said:
I'm already aware you believe some people seemingly don't care about gays being stoned aside form the fact that muslims are doing it - I was asking you which posters you're referring to?

It seems your first replies to this news story are posts to make jokes about it, fair enough, you've then gone on a bit of a mission to engage in some whataboutery then seemingly call out some unspecified posters albeit you're apparently not quite sure enough to actually name them or clarify what exactly you're referring to.
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I wasn't referring to anyone specifically.

Yes, I tried to keep it light for a while but it's not easy. Humour needs a wall to bounce back off.
 
Yadda said:
I wasn't referring to anyone specifically.
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Well in that case re: this post:

Yadda said:
I'm sure gay folk appreciate our concern re the Sultan and all, but what about the discrimination they face in the rest of the world?

Interesting map here: https://ilga.org/ilga-launches-state-sponsored-homophobia-2019
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I presume the "our" is people in general - you'll be pleased to know that various organisations are quite actively involved in campaigning on those issues, not to mention that western states frequently try to apply diplomatic pressure - the US applied sanctions on Uganda when they passed an anti gay law which initially included a death penalty and was later amended to remove the death penalty. The wiki leaks diplomatic cables show US state department officials were pretty concerned about increased hatred towards gay people in Uganda. It is of course a majority Christian country.

The thread however is about a particular country and a recently introduced law/celebrity boycott.
 
dowie said:
Well in that case re: this post:



I presume the "our" is people in general - you'll be pleased to know that various organisations are quite actively involved in campaigning on those issues, not to mention that western states frequently try to apply diplomatic pressure - the US applied sanctions on Uganda when they passed an anti gay law which initially included a death penalty and was later amended to remove the death penalty. The wiki leaks diplomatic cables show US state department officials were pretty concerned about increased hatred towards gay people in Uganda. It is of course a majority Christian country.

The thread however is about a particular country and a recently introduced law/celebrity boycott.
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Yes, that's great. I'm not sure the anti-Muslim crowd will be that bothered though.
 
Yadda said:
Yes, that's great. I'm not sure the anti-Muslim crowd will be that bothered though.
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Who are the anti muslim crowd you're referring to? The EDL etc..? Why does them being bothered matter with regards to this thread? It seems a bit irrelevant.
 
Yadda said:
Gay rights is the weapon here - isn't that obvious? Do you think that people who are generally critical of Muslims really care about the rights of gay Muslims?
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I'm not gay and I care about the rights of homosexual people to be able to practice consensual sex with whoever they please restricted by the same rules as heterosexuals because:

1) I'm generally rather libertarian

And

2) I'm not a fool and realise that a goverment that punishes homosexuals especially by means as severe as death is also almost guaranteed to be one that doesn't just stop at surpressing and terrorising homosexuals.

The map of countries showing the situation for homosexuals coincides rather a lot with authoritarian, repressive states with a significant trend for Islamic theocracies to be reprensented In the redder parts of the map.

Supporting gay rights not to be persucted by the state is supporting my libertarian values and wish to live in a relatively free society.
 
dowie said:
Who are the anti muslim crowd you're referring to?
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The ones who jump on any cause to criticise Muslims yet generally don't seem to support those causes. Like I asked earlier, do you think protecting the rights of gay Muslims is really that important to a lot of the folk speaking most vocally on this issue? Looking at their social media accounts, I'd say not.
 
Dis86 said:
Umm...nobody specifically but you're looking at individuals social media accounts. Ooooookay.
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I didn't make a note of them, sorry. Try not to get sidetracked by the irrelevant details of you can. You might not get so confused.
 
Funny how this criticism of fundamental Islamic ideology gets turned into discrimination against gay Muslims.

Gay Muslims wouldn't have anything to fear if their religion was actually tolerant in the first place.
 
Yadda said:
The ones who jump on any cause to criticise Muslims yet generally don't seem to support those causes. Like I asked earlier, do you think protecting the rights of gay Muslims is really that important to a lot of the folk speaking most vocally on this issue? Looking at their social media accounts, I'd say not.
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The campaign surrounding this was started by Ellen DeGeneres, she's a lesbian, I suspect she does care about LGBT rights. George Clooney is also publicly backing it, he's quite keen on human rights in general and is married to a human rights barrister. I saw it (the list of Brunei owned hotels reposted from Ellen) yesterday on various Instagram stories... I suspect those celebs promoting/reposting it do care about LGBT rights as they've campaigned on plenty of other issues ditto to various non-celeb social media users also joining in with promoting the campaign. Granted celeb campaigning for stuff sometimes gets a bit dubious with all the virtue signalling, I've commented on this in my first post in the thread re: climate change etc... but I don't have any reason to believe that most people objecting to this law are just doing so because of some hatred of muslims. I'd suspect that applies to a rather small minority.
 
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dowie said:
The campaign surrounding this was started by Ellen DeGeneres, she's a lesbian, I suspect she does care about LGBT rights. George Clooney is also publicly backing it, he's quite keen on human rights in general and is married to a human rights barrister. I saw it (the list of Brunei owned hotels reposted from Ellen) yesterday on various Instagram stories... I suspect those celebs promoting/reposting it do care about LGBT rights as they've campaigned on plenty of other issues. Granted it sometimes gets a bit dubious, I've commented on this in my first post in the thread re: climate change etc... ditto to various non-celeb social media users also joining in with promoting the campaign.
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Sure, I'm not saying that everyone who's critical of this, or any other issue that impacts Muslims, is being disingenuous.
 
StriderX said:
Thread meant to about Brunei’s poor law, is instead about bashing the mooooooooooslems as usual.

Boooooooooooooooooooooring, bloody flakes of snow all up in this *****.
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First rule of left-wing club: promote islam and encourage cultural enrichment for benefit of all (bonus points for being fine with Sharia courts in the UK)
Second first rule* of left-wing club: promote lgbt agendas (bonus points for declaring that two-year-olds can be "trans")
Third first rule of left-wing club: have aneurysm when islam attacks lgbt people - even going so far as stoning them to death. Stoning is a quite a hard sell to the UK populace, who have't yet had sufficient enrichment to adopt such practices. Still work to do!

(*using the Abbott numbering system)
 
StriderX said:
Thread meant to about Brunei’s poor law, is instead about bashing the mooooooooooslems as usual.

Boooooooooooooooooooooring, bloody flakes of snow all up in this *****.
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What 'law' do they have in Brunei

Let's check what they uk goverment say to people thinking about visiting?

In 2014, Brunei began the introduction of a Sharia Criminal Code, to run in parallel with the Common Law. The final phase will be introduced in April 2019. It specifies severe punishments, including amputation and death by stoning, for certain crimes, including some that are not illegal in the UK.
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This isn't a case of a 'poor' implementation of sharia as you won't find a jurisdiction enforcing sharia that doesn't have severe penalties for homosexuality with the death penalty frequently being an option.

Brunei's law system is the Islamic one (Sharia)
 
doodah said:
America still have a long way to go to having acceptance in a uniform manner.
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dowie said:
So the short term approach perhaps is to undermine the current conservative interpretations - this will take time. There is a bit more tolerance in Christianity these days, Islam is still rather backwards.
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As a Brit in the US, I was surprised to learn that there are several Christian denominations / church alliances* that are tolerant of LGBTs, and they collectively represent like 20+ million Christians in the US. That's not a huge amount compared to 300m (although another chunk of those aren't religious or simply don't care), but I also see articles every once in a while about a new denomination or a *set of co-operating churches (sometimes of different denominations) in a city becoming tolerant, and of course the "leftist" websites praise it whilst the right-wing nutjobs say things like "those churches are stabbing Jesus in the back!" :rolleyes:.

dowie said:
The long term solution of course is for humanity to ditch these stupid belief systems.
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Word.
 
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Backwards leader of a backwards country enforces a backwards discriminatory punishment.

Nothing new here.
 
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