AMD Navi 20 Faster Than An Nvidia RTX2080Ti?

[nashathedog]

Had a quick search and i think this is what he is referring to.

That's what I thought but it's doesn't relate to desktop Polaris gpu's.

The things I said are just my opinion, I'm not always 100% straight to the point but I def got Fiji, and Polaris spot on.

I've got it now cheers, The way you wrote it was like there was a bigger Polaris chip in development with a 384bit bus for the desktop which we know wasn't the case. The Scorpio APU wasn't originally planned for, like the PS4 Pro the Scorpio was born out of the need for better performance than the original Xbox One & PS4 offered. Sorry if it felt like I was putting you on spot that wasn't my intent I was genuinely interested to know if there had ever been such a chip as at that time I only recall people hoping there was going to be a bigger chip, If they could have done a big Polaris they should have as the delay between the Polaris release and RX Vega was a long one and out of the gate Vega didn't feel like that big a leap over Polaris which made the idea of having had a bigger Polaris instead of the wait seem like it would have been the better choice, being available over a year earlier would have made more sense than having nothing other than Raj Koduri telling us the merit's of why we'd be better off buying two 480's rather than one GTX1080.

 

[TNA]

Raj Koduri telling us the merit's of why we'd be better off buying two 480's rather than one GTX1080

Lol. He lost respect saying things like that. I would take a 1080 any day over two 480’s. Multi gpu is rubbish for gaming.

 

[LePhuronn]

I don't think anything was ever officially stated, but the commonly held belief amongst the interwebz from what I can see is that "big" Polaris existed in Koduri's head. He was confident it could be scaled up with some not-insignificant reworking, but that would require budget. AMD didn't have budget and can't spend the same dollar twice, so it was either Polris extension or Vega, not both.

We know what decision AMD made. And we also know what happened to Koduri a few years later.

 

[nashathedog]

Lol. He lost respect saying things like that. I would take a 1080 any day over two 480’s. Multi gpu is rubbish for gaming.

It was all downhill from there.

I don't think anything was ever officially stated, but the commonly held belief amongst the interwebz from what I can see is that "big" Polaris existed in Koduri's head. He was confident it could be scaled up with some not-insignificant reworking, but that would require budget. AMD didn't have budget and can't spend the same dollar twice, so it was either Polris extension or Vega, not both.
We know what decision AMD made. And we also know what happened to Koduri a few years later.

The biggest issue is not knowing what's fact & what's fiction as the web has a theory for every occasion, We all do it.

 

[LePhuronn]

The biggest issue is not knowing what's fact & what's fiction as the web has a theory for every occasion, We all do it.

I think it's pretty clear that AMD could only afford R&D for 1 project, and if the choice was between extensively reworking an arch purely for a gaming card or developing an arch that would see use in data centers, workstations and gaming then it's pretty obvious which way the company would go.

Whether there was a "big" Polaris in anybody's heads or anybody's roadmaps will remain a mystery, but if there was then I#d be confident in sayingit never showed because it was bumped in favour of Vega.

 

[nashathedog]

I think it's pretty clear that AMD could only afford R&D for 1 project, and if the choice was between extensively reworking an arch purely for a gaming card or developing an arch that would see use in data centers, workstations and gaming then it's pretty obvious which way the company would go.

That's the way I understood it to be too, Polaris was never going to be anything other than what it is, I don't believe there was ever a toss up on which way to go, AMD had already made the decision to use HBM for high-end gpu's so Vega wasn't an afterthought it was the plan all along.

 

[bru]

Fair enough, I don't remember ever seeing anything about this, I've tried Google but can't find anything, 9 times out of 10 news like this comes from untrustworthy sources creating fake news on slow days to get the clicks. I can't find anything on Polaris every being planned with more than it's 256 bit bus or more than 36cu's but I would have been interested in having a read on it, The Xbox One X uses a custom API with 40 Polaris CU's but it doesn't pertain to there ever having been plans for a bigger Polaris gpu like that.

So what you are basically saying is that you couldn't find any info on a bigger Polaris at all..... other than this bigger Polaris that is actually used in the XBOX one X.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Navi 10 hitting 2070 performance rumour at RX 590 prices (last bit sounds unlikely), starts at 5:57

 

[Grim5]

$50 to $100 cheaper ifbit can match the 2070

Not half the price no reason to do that

 

[nashathedog]

So what you are basically saying is that you couldn't find any info on a bigger Polaris at all..... other than this bigger Polaris that is actually used in the XBOX one X.

Sort of...

 

[bru]

Sort of...

Sorry it just caught me as amusing.

 

[nashathedog]

Navi 10 hitting 2070 performance rumour at RX 590 prices (last bit sounds unlikely), starts at 5:57

So if that's true it would put it in the ballpark of the Vega 64 performance, Plenty of us on here pulled that guesstimate out our butts months ago.

 

[Poneros]

Imo it's not surprising anyway if it turns out like that. We've had great deals like that now too, just with less certainty. E.g. the V56 Pulse that can be flashed with V64 Nitro bios has been selling for £280ish w/ £50 worth of games. And you get to enjoy it for months before.

But, guaranteed top-end V64 performance for £300 wouldn't be too bad either. At the very least it would be £100 cheaper than the current Nitro V64 & likely with less power consumption & more optimizations in the future to boot.

Not revolutionary but a good deal anyway, can easily game at 4K with that, with very few compromises. It's basically what we've been speculating it would be since a year ago.

 

[greatash]

64 performance for current 56 prices is what i've expected, wasnt worth the 6+ month wait to save £50.

If it is 64+ performance for near £200 that would be great though and would force Nvidia to slash prices dramatically.

 

[LePhuronn]

Dear god that guy is annoying.

 

[Jono8]

Well if Navi 20 is the one not coming till 2020, it better be able to beat a 2080ti!

 

[nashathedog]

Imo it's not surprising anyway if it turns out like that. We've had great deals like that now too, just with less certainty. E.g. the V56 Pulse that can be flashed with V64 Nitro bios has been selling for £280ish w/ £50 worth of games. And you get to enjoy it for months before.

But, guaranteed top-end V64 performance for £300 wouldn't be too bad either. At the very least it would be £100 cheaper than the current Nitro V64 & likely with less power consumption & more optimizations in the future to boot.

Not revolutionary but a good deal anyway, can easily game at 4K with that, with very few compromises. It's basically what we've been speculating it would be since a year ago.

Let's hope so, What did an RX480 cost on release? £250. £300? I can't remember what they were on release but Navi's not going to look that tempting if they don't undercut the current crop of Vega's.

Well if Navi 20 is the one not coming till 2020, it better be able to beat a 2080ti!

That's going to be unlikely unless Navi 20 is some sort of multi chip design. I think it's too soon to expect AMD to get back to competing at the high end, at least not with Navi.

Dear god that guy is annoying.

Who RTG? I've gone off watching their video's since he moved from talking over gameplay to sitting real close to the camera.

 

[Chrisc]

INHO I think Navi 10 will be GDDR6 and Navi 20 either very late Q4 or early Q1 next year will be HBM2, Just going by previous products.

What benefits does the HBM have? It always seems to be a talking point when AMD cards don’t quite match the performance of the equivalent NVIDIA product? With fingers usually pointing towards it being HBM and not GDDR

 

[Chrisc]

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[ricid]

Deeply skeptical about the headline. Personally I'm hoping for Navi to bring 1070Ti performance at or below £200 with reasonable power consumption / temperatures.

That would cover 1080p for the foreseeable future, make for a solid VR card without breaking the bank and put real pressure on Nvidia to reduce prices.