AMD Navi 20 Faster Than An Nvidia RTX2080Ti?

TNA · 7 Apr 2019 at 12:30

Chrisc said:
What benefits does the HBM have? It always seems to be a talking point when AMD cards don’t quite match the performance of the equivalent NVIDIA product? With fingers usually pointing towards it being HBM and not GDDR

One of the benefits is it uses less power vs GDDR.

But the reason AMD use it is not for us gamers, but for the professional market. As they don’t have the money to design a graphics card dedicated just for pc gamers, we end up with whatever they can make work for us.

ricid said:
and put real pressure on Nvidia to reduce prices.

So we can buy Nvidia cards?

ricid · 7 Apr 2019 at 12:34

TNA said:
So we can buy Nvidia cards?

Haha, I think the last Nvidia card I actually owned might have been a GeForce 2 MX, but I've always kinda wanted one.

TNA · 7 Apr 2019 at 12:38

ricid said:
Haha, I think the last Nvidia card I actually owned might have been a GeForce 2 MX, but I've always kinda wanted one.

I just buy whatever meets my needs at the time. I enjoy flight sim’s which seem to work better on nvidia cards for some reason.

Distracted · 7 Apr 2019 at 13:09

AMD had to use HBM to control the overall power draw of the cards. They may not need to use it going forward if they can curb power consumption elsewhere. Removing HBM would reduce the cost of the cards.

TNA · 7 Apr 2019 at 14:56

Distracted said:
AMD had to use HBM to control the overall power draw of the cards. They may not need to use it going forward if they can curb power consumption elsewhere. Removing HBM would reduce the cost of the cards.

Pretty sure that was not the main reason though. Remember these are not designed primarily for pc gamers.

Wucked · 8 Apr 2019 at 09:14

Faster than a 2080Ti? I’m not convinced, it’s been a while since AMD have been truly competitive at the high end of this market.

Ross Thomson · 8 Apr 2019 at 09:43

Don't get why people go on about AMD having the fastest card. I'd have through the low to mid range cards would bring in the most sales.

Troezar · 8 Apr 2019 at 10:22

Ross Thomson said:
Don't get why people go on about AMD having the fastest card. I'd have through the low to mid range cards would bring in the most sales.

I think it's because the halo product drives sales lower down the range. I think, assuming it's a deliberate strategy, AMD concentrating on the mid and lower end is the correct decision. That's where the volume and the money is.

BigBANGtheory · 8 Apr 2019 at 11:35

also the Nvidia price difference between a 2060 RTX and a 2080 Ti is obscene its upwards of £1k in some cases, Nvidia can compete in the mid tier its mostly the high end were it gets anti-consumer.

Troezar · 8 Apr 2019 at 11:43

I suppose Nvidia know their buyers well, 20080Ti buyers will be adults with money to burn on their hobby. I suppose you can't buy the pinnacle in most hobbies for £1200. The only downside is the rate GPUs depreciate at.

Zernath · 8 Apr 2019 at 12:12

Troezar said:
I suppose Nvidia know their buyers well, 20080Ti buyers will be adults with money to burn on their hobby. I suppose you can't buy the pinnacle in most hobbies for £1200. The only downside is the rate GPUs depreciate at.

It must be nice being able to throw that kind of money at a GPU without a second thought, but it's only going to encourage further price hikes. If it continues as per the present trend, I can see even those with money to burn starting to feel a bit of wallet pain!

D.P. · 8 Apr 2019 at 14:07

Zernath said:
It must be nice being able to throw that kind of money at a GPU without a second thought, but it's only going to encourage further price hikes. If it continues as per the present trend, I can see even those with money to burn starting to feel a bit of wallet pain!

The market sets te price so prices will only rise if people are willing to pay and profits are maximized.

Zernath · 8 Apr 2019 at 16:44

D.P. said:
The market sets te price so prices will only rise if people are willing to pay and profits are maximized.

People seem willing enough already, so what's stopping them from pushing it even further? I remember when £500 for a GPU was considered sublime greed, yet we're now well passed that, and still climbing.

It's all fine and dandy at the moment, but wait until they're topping two grand! It's naive to believe that it can't happen, or that pricing for mid and entry levels will be exempt. The excuse used to be mining, but when that fad ended did prices go down?

Calin Banc · 8 Apr 2019 at 17:14

When prices will be perceived as "too much", then people who are sensitive to the price will upgrade less or move towards consoles or services such as Stadia. Is that easy. PC market will slowly shrink and IHV will ask themselves, like camera guys do: what went wrong? And will simply blame someone else, never themselves.

ANDREW GREEN · 8 Apr 2019 at 17:44

Zernath said:
People seem willing enough already, so what's stopping them from pushing it even further? I remember when £500 for a GPU was considered sublime greed, yet we're now well passed that, and still climbing.

It's all fine and dandy at the moment, but wait until they're topping two grand! It's naive to believe that it can't happen, or that pricing for mid and entry levels will be exempt. The excuse used to be mining, but when that fad ended did prices go down?

I think the entry and mid range is exempt. The high end is strictly early adopter enthusiast who has to have the very best resolution, frame rates and just the best card on the market because 'I deserve it'. They don't sell that many in this price range. The mid level is far more price sensitive and competitive. There's a reason Nvidia have decent products at £160, £200, £260 and £300 and it's because they know many people will only spend upto X amount on a GPU.

The fact the 2080 TI price has gone down may indicate it's not selling that well at £1200. If Navi 20 beats or matches the 2080Ti at either £900 or at £999 with 16gb of RAM, then what? Prices may come down at the high end. Right now there's only 1 option at the high end

Safetytrousers · 8 Apr 2019 at 18:03

Zernath said:
People seem willing enough already, so what's stopping them from pushing it even further? I remember when £500 for a GPU was considered sublime greed, yet we're now well passed that, and still climbing.

In earlier days everyone had a lower res monitor and nothing above 60Hz. There is a much wider range of performance requirement to cater for now.
They can price how they want, the market will dictate in the end.

Shaz12 · 8 Apr 2019 at 18:35

Zernath said:
People seem willing enough already, so what's stopping them from pushing it even further? I remember when £500 for a GPU was considered sublime greed, yet we're now well passed that, and still climbing.

It's all fine and dandy at the moment, but wait until they're topping two grand! It's naive to believe that it can't happen, or that pricing for mid and entry levels will be exempt. The excuse used to be mining, but when that fad ended did prices go down?

Well if it works for Apple it will work for nvidia.

Double07 · 8 Apr 2019 at 20:29

TLDR: Maybe

Kaapstad · 8 Apr 2019 at 20:56

Zernath said:
People seem willing enough already, so what's stopping them from pushing it even further? I remember when £500 for a GPU was considered sublime greed, yet we're now well passed that, and still climbing.

It's all fine and dandy at the moment, but wait until they're topping two grand! It's naive to believe that it can't happen, or that pricing for mid and entry levels will be exempt. The excuse used to be mining, but when that fad ended did prices go down?

They have gone too far already, people are not buying the really expensive cards like the RTX Titan.

Even EVGA are not pricing their Kingpin 2080 Ti anywhere near the RTX Titan.

Having said that GPU prices are at ridiculous levels and in the end NVidia will be the losers as gamers lose interest and go for consoles or other hobbies.

Marine-RX179 · 8 Apr 2019 at 21:03

Kaapstad said:
Having said that GPU prices are at ridiculous levels and in the end NVidia will be the losers as gamers lose interest and go for consoles or other hobbies.

Indeed.

For the price of a 2080ti, I could get a pair of great sounding floor-stander speakers and a decent stereo amp (and still possibly with change to spare). For some others, they could get a 55" OLED 4K TV!

Putting the 2080ti next the the above, it makes you want to shout at the 2080ti "U Wot M8".