AMD Navi 20 Faster Than An Nvidia RTX2080Ti?

[CuriousTomCat]

RTX and Tensor cores are about 8% of the die area, so they have very little no added cost.

You're only taking the manufacturing cost into effect. By your argument, you could say that if a blank dvd cost 37p, how can they charge £10 for a film. The product cost millions upon millions to produce and that's what you're paying for, not the material object.

RTX took 10 years to design, the cost of that would be an enormous sum of money. Nvidia need to recoup that money, hense the cost of the graphics cards. The mistake Nvidia made was making RTX in the first place in my opinion. Either that or they should have started development 5 years later when technology had advanced more.

Transistor have zero cost.

Extra transistors have zero cost to manufacture, that's correct because the foundries charge per wafer, not per transistor (providing the die size doesn't increase). However, the R&D cost for adding these transistors is huge if it takes a team of engineers years to design

 

[GloriousMess]

Hmm, assuming the leaked Playstation 5 specification is anywhere near truthful, the upcoming console might have approaching 14 teraflops of power. That puts in the range of the 2080 Ti, and the thing is supposedly powered by a Navi chip.

Can I be optimistic yet?

 

[Grim5]

Hmm, assuming the leaked Playstation 5 specification is anywhere near truthful, the upcoming console might have approaching 14 teraflops of power. That puts in the range of the 2080 Ti, and the thing is supposedly powered by a Navi chip.

Can I be optimistic yet?

No it doesn't

Tflop is no where near an accurate measure of performance between two completely different architectures

We've seen plenty times in recent years Nvidia consistently outperfomed AMD cards even though Nvidia cards have much lower tflop numbers at each tier

To expand on this - a stock 1080ti and vega 64 are very similiar in tflop output, so these cards should be neck and neck in games, yet we know how that turned out

Another example is the Radeon 7 only has a bit more tflop compute than Vega 64 yet handsomely beats it in games.

Secondly, a stock 2080ti is actually 17tflop, with the average overclock putting it at 19tlfop and aggressive water overclock over 20tflop. Also the rumor suggested a release date as far away as November 2020, which which time 7nm 3080ti is out, boasting who knows how much, but what is likely a significant boost over the 2080ti. AMD's next gen high end cards should be out by then too, making Navi look very mid-range

 

[TNA]

Hmm, assuming the leaked Playstation 5 specification is anywhere near truthful, the upcoming console might have approaching 14 teraflops of power. That puts in the range of the 2080 Ti, and the thing is supposedly powered by a Navi chip.

Can I be optimistic yet?

Don’t think it means that. What it probably does mean though is console developers will squeeze out 2080 Ti worth of performance out of it, which is great news. It will be a proper 4K console

More and more I see myself getting a PS5 and taking a break from high end PC gaming for a few years.

 

[Calin Banc]

No it doesn't

Tflop is no where near an accurate measure of performance between two completely different architectures

We've seen plenty times in recent years Nvidia consistently outperfomed AMD cards even though Nvidia cards have much lower tflop numbers at each tier

To expand on this - a stock 1080ti and vega 64 are very similiar in tflop output, so these cards should be neck and neck in games, yet we know how that turned out

Another example is the Radeon 7 only has a bit more tflop compute than Vega 64 yet handsomely beats it in games.

Secondly, a stock 2080ti is actually 17tflop, with the average overclock putting it at 19tlfop and aggressive water overclock over 20tflop. Also the rumor suggested a release date as far away as November 2020, which which time 7nm 3080ti is out, boasting who knows how much, but what is likely a significant boost over the 2080ti. AMD's next gen high end cards should be out by then too, making Navi look very mid-range

If the architecture is reworked suficiently, then there shouldn't be a problem to get similar performance from navi compared to a nvidia card of similar tflops. Time will tell.

 

[GloriousMess]

What it probably does mean though is console developers will squeeze out 2080 Ti worth of performance out of it, which is great news. It will be a proper 4K console

This is more what I was getting at; the raw figures are indeed not indicative of performance, but they do place it in the ballpark of similarly spec'd cards. 2080 Ti worth of performance is a better way of putting it.

 

[Mercutio]

Well... Vega 7 is already roughly equal to 2080/1080ti (once the under-par stock cooling situation is sorted out, either lapping or some form of after market cooler needed, the stock one IS pretty crap).

So... why is the 30% improvement to 2080ti levels utterly ridiculous? (For those dismissing it out of hand).

 

[TNA]

Well... Vega 7 is already roughly equal to 2080/1080ti (once the under-par stock cooling situation is sorted out, either lapping or some form of after market cooler needed, the stock one IS pretty crap).

So... why is the 30% improvement to 2080ti levels utterly ridiculous? (For those dismissing it out of hand).

Because Navi is meant to be a Polaris replacement and a smaller chip, plus all rumours up until now etc.

Truth is we don’t know. It could easily even surprise us and beat 2080 Ti, but it is just unlikely. Fury X and Vega were both expected to deliver more performance but didn’t. Based on that I am not expecting much myself.

I would be more impressed with a 1080 Ti performance card that is £399 than a 2080 Ti matching or beating card for £1000+ personally.

 

[Troezar]

Because Navi is meant to be a Polaris replacement and a smaller chip, plus all rumours up until now etc.

Truth is we don’t know. It could easily even surprise us and beat 2080 Ti, but it is just unlikely. Fury X and Vega were both expected to deliver more performance but didn’t. Based on that I am not expecting much myself.

I would be more impressed with a 1080 Ti performance card that is £399 than a 2080 Ti matching or beating card for £1000+ personally.

I'm just waiting for double the performance of a 1070 for under £400. Think I could be waiting a while!

 

[TNA]

I'm just waiting for double the performance of a 1070 for under £400. Think I could be waiting a while!

Those days are long gone sadly. You will be waiting a long time

 

[Troezar]

Those days are long gone sadly. You will be waiting a long time

Ever the optimist I'm hoping a three way 7nm battle might bring some reasonable prices to the market

 

[4K8KW10]

Those days are long gone sadly. You will be waiting a long time

We should see doubling the RX 480/ RX 590 performance with a 7nm midrange Navi.

 

[Troezar]

We should see doubling the RX 480/ RX 590 performance with a 7nm midrange Navi.

Hmm that could be in the ballpark. I'd like to go back to an all AMD system but not just because. I still want decent performance but it doesn't have to be the best at any price.

 

[Grim5]

We should see doubling the RX 480/ RX 590 performance with a 7nm midrange Navi.

And hopefully not needing a power plant in the back yard to power them either!

I bet you could drop a 2080ti down to like 80w and still perform better than a 590, so Polaris has some real issues that hopefully 7nm resolves

Double 590 perf would be great, but to really be a great card it ma tdp needs to be no more than 150w

 

[Troezar]

And hopefully not needing a power plant in the back yard to power them either!

Indeed, I used to get cooked by my 7970 xfire. No need to heat the room