Console gamer who wants to make the switch...

tamzzy said:
Odd you would +1 a 2600/1660ti build, seeing as one can get a 2600/2070 build and a 1tb SSD and 1440p monitor into the spec for the op's budget? As I've proven in my spec above.
Just curious
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You and I read the full thread before posting - rare breed.
 
orbitalwalsh said:
half the fun is reading the back of the book and guessing the rest :D
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There's actually a 'paper' that's been written theorising that if you read the end of a book first you actually enjoy the full read more. I certainly enjoy some books/films on second read/view.

In this instance your quote order would have worked on this thread - without the guessing :D
 
Steveocee said:
Can I just say welcome to the forum and THANK YOU for taking the time to explain what you want and being responsive to peoples suggestions. Too often I see the “console gamer” title and it’s some jumped up kid wanting massive specs for the £350 they’ve begged off mummy and daddy then throw their toys out when they can’t get what they want.
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Hey no worries, I know this is going to be an expensive endeavour, but it's so going to be worth it! I understand very little about PC components, so all the info you guys and gals can give me is really useful (and gratefully received) I'm also apprehensive about maybe building it myself, I mean, these are expensive components and I wouldn't want to break anything due to ignorance.

With that in mind, what would be the benefit of me attempting a self-build, apart from maybe 'discovering myself' like going on a spiritual walk into the wilderness? I see fairly decent builds to buy pre-assembled direct from Overclockers, PC Specialist, or CyberPower etc. Yep they maybe slightly more, but are the components that go into a CyberPower or PC Specialist build inferior or something? Just curious really as this is all so new to me.
 
Sometimes Prebuilts can be had for a great price. Some of OCUK systems use their own semi branded units , Kolink - not the best.. @EsaT will explain that one nicely...
Whilst their top ends ship with higher rates parts.
Pc specialist use Gigabyte as core mobo and Scan will only use Asus ( not so great for z390 build ) Nd Corsair (great) .
Hunting around and self building can sometimes sAve a great deal more, or get that look you want that builders can't match by default, or can for extra coin !
Some parts come with longer warranties by themselves but with system builds, I think they are classed at the default 3 years then might be up to yourself to contact Vendor to get RMA sorted.. not sure about this bit . Different shops and products are different
 
tamzzy said:
Odd you would +1 a 2600/1660ti build, seeing as one can get a 2600/2070 build and a 1tb SSD and 1440p monitor into the spec for the op's budget? As I've proven in my spec above.
Just curious
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to be honest I quickly glanced at the thread then posted - I'll leave now :D
 
MrBraindown said:
Hey no worries, I know this is going to be an expensive endeavour...

With that in mind, what would be the benefit of me attempting a self-build, apart from maybe 'discovering myself' like going on a spiritual walk into the wilderness? I see fairly decent builds to buy pre-assembled direct from Overclockers, PC Specialist, or CyberPower etc. Yep they maybe slightly more, but are the components that go into a CyberPower or PC Specialist build inferior or something?
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Price tag over time depends lots on component choises, timing of buying new parts and especially on self built&updated vs pre-assembled/build.

By prioritizing quality and versatility in parts which don't get technically old can bring long term cost down.
For example my case is few months short of 11 year age.
Also quality PSUs come with 10 year warranty, best ones with 12 year warranty.
That long time "return on investment" won't ever happen if just keep buying pre-assembled PCs to stay at good performance level.
Usually gaming PC becomes performance wise obsolete before half of that.

Pre-built PCs often skimp in those parts which would hold their value best.
Like PSUs of most pre-builts are often at low end garbage-mediocre level.


And then there's that timing part.
Intel is surely in lead in single core/thread performance giving advantage in most current games.
Butmany Intels are overpriced already now compared to speed difference.
And compared to where game development goes in long term most of them have miserable for the price long term view in holding value.
In fact Zen2 Ryzens to be released in Computex are likely going to offer 9900K level performance at about half the price.
Also unlike Intel forcing people to buy new motherboards for same architecture CPUs just for the fun of screwing consumers to butt, current AMD motherboards will get BIOS update for supporting Zen2 CPUs and likely also next year's releases.
(because DDR5 likely won't appear on consumer markets much before second half of next year)

Also after multiple years of barely crawling forward advance and increasing prices graphics cards should see major advanced and competition in next year to two.
With highly parallel work load their performance is easily improved by new designs and manufacturing techs.



Plec said:
There's actually a 'paper' that's been written theorising that if you read the end of a book first you actually enjoy the full read more. I certainly enjoy some books/films on second read/view.
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Don't forget Babylon 5.
It needs at least second watching to understand more than half of some episodes and how well story was written.
(except for fifth season being lack luster compared others because of threat of cancellation after fourth)
 
EsaT said:
And then there's that timing part.
Intel is surely in lead in single core/thread performance giving advantage in most current games.
Butmany Intels are overpriced already now compared to speed difference.
And compared to where game development goes in long term most of them have miserable for the price long term view in holding value.
In fact Zen2 Ryzens to be released in Computex are likely going to offer 9900K level performance at about half the price.
Also unlike Intel forcing people to buy new motherboards for same architecture CPUs just for the fun of screwing consumers to butt, current AMD motherboards will get BIOS update for supporting Zen2 CPUs and likely also next year's releases.
(because DDR5 likely won't appear on consumer markets much before second half of next year)
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Interesting, so is it best to go down the AMD route due to fact that the upgrade path is easier and ultimately cheaper? (due to not having to swap out motherboards etc)
 
MrBraindown said:
Interesting, so is it best to go down the AMD route due to fact that the upgrade path is easier and ultimately cheaper? (due to not having to swap out motherboards etc)
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In long term AMD is certainly better.
9900K is only Intel which can be considered stay good for longer term.
But Intel's pricing is at get raped&robbed level and it will likely be sub £250 mainstream performance level in few months.

In CES AMD demoed Zen2 engineering sample matching 9900K's processing power at ~50W lower system power consumption.
And 8 core/16 thread model is likely going to replace £200 level line up.
With 2700X replacement being 12 core/24 thread model.
That's more like something I would consider really future proof.
If you can wait for release of Zen2s CPUs you would likely get major increase in bang per buck.
 
So, after much deliberation, I'm thinking of this:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,038.98 (includes shipping: £14.10)
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I can get some of these components cheaper elsewhere which will bring the overall price to just below £1000 - which will leave me some money to maybe save for a VR headset or a better monitor. I've also avoided the Micro-ATX case as I think I may find everything a bit tight, causing a struggle with the build.

Does this all look solid? Any glaring overkills or poor component choices? All suggestions welcome
 
Thanks for the component advice, I don't really know what components are better than others, so this is all valuable info!

It is primarily for gaming. I saw @tamzzy's build, this is loosely based on that. I was scared about dealing with a Micro-ATX due to the fact that this would be my first build - I thought it would be easier with a more spacious tower. Also, an IT person at work thought it would be better to swap the 2600x for the 2700x and the 2070 for a 2060. I just stared blankly at him and nodded.
 
If you're planning on primarily gaming at 1440p at semi/high refresh rates (chosen a monitor?) - i would argue that the 2600X paired with the RTX 2070 would will give you better 'immediate longevity - the CPU like the GPU can be upgraded if required but the 2600X will see right for a good few years (it's been the go to gaming CPU for past year)

An example build with full ATX board (decent VRMs) with a 75Hz monitor - and case as a place holder as you seem to like it:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,241.89 (includes shipping: £23.10)
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MrBraindown said:
I can get some of these components cheaper elsewhere which will bring the overall price to just below £1000 - which will leave me some money to maybe save for a VR headset or a better monitor. I've also avoided the Micro-ATX case as I think I may find everything a bit tight, causing a struggle with the build. Does this all look solid? Any glaring overkills or poor component choices? All suggestions welcome
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Plec said:
Just had a closer look at your spec - did you see @tamzzy's build? (post #16)
Is this primarily for gaming?
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MrBraindown said:
It is primarily for gaming. I saw @tamzzy's build, this is loosely based on that. I was scared about dealing with a Micro-ATX due to the fact that this would be my first build - I thought it would be easier with a more spacious tower. Also, an IT person at work thought it would be better to swap the 2600x for the 2700x and the 2070 for a 2060. I just stared blankly at him and nodded.
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micro ATX isn't honestly that much smaller than ATX. you do lose 3 PCIE slots - that's 6cm.
the top half of the board is exactly the same.
with respect to your build, i wouldn't go for an X370 board as it will more than likely require a bios update out of the box to work with ryzen 2000 series chip; also the VRMs on the MSI B450 series boards are about equal to the GB X370 boards. yes you do lose a bit of connectivity with B450 compared to X370, but outside of 1% of people that actually need more usb/sata ports or sli...it's basically redundant.
purely for gaming, 2600/x + 2070 will be a better combination compared to 2700/x + 2060. GPU is king as you go up the resolutions.
 
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