Parking fine dispute amongst friends

Goodie said:
Me in the position of the driver: I'd be disappointed if my friend didn't offer to go in on the fine with me, but I wouldn't directly ask.
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Why? As the driver, it is you who decides where you park, not any passenger with you. If you went to the venue alone you'd be in the exact same position. Why would you even think to expect someone would offer to split the bill in this circumstance?

If the passenger had made the decision you should park there, then that's a different matter I guess, but otherwise, just accept the fine,or politely respond to the PCN and hope for the best. I did this recently with a Southampton council PCN and got it revoked.

I went to London a while back and got a PCN for parking somewhere without realising that area of London is no parking without a permit (no visible signs on road). My friend did offer to pay a bit but I refused the offer and thought nothing more of it.

Just be cool.
 
Jean-F said:
I must live in another Universe,
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you do, it's the universe where comprehension is difficult for you.

Jean-F said:
first off, I wouldn’t park in a spot where I could incur a fine, and if I somehow made a mistake, and did park illegally, then I parked it, any fine is down to me.
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no idea why you're quoting my post then replying with this - i never said the fine wasn't down to the driver?

Jean-F said:
Secondly, if I said, “I’m going to xxx city tomorrow, and someone said, “I left my car there Saturday night, any chance of a lift there, so I can pick it up?”, I’d take them, and wouldn’t even think of taking petrol money from them, much less asking for some.
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again, i never mentioned the driver asking for petrol money. not once.

if I was to sponge a lift off a mate, i 100% would be offering him petrol money (whether he accepted it or not is irrelevant to my post) be- i was suggesting that the type of mate who wouldn't offer to pay half the parking ticket (whether he was obliged to or not) is the same type who would blag a lift without thinking to offer to pay something towards the petrol.

mrk said:
My friend did offer to pay a bit
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which is what a proper friend would do

mrk said:
but I refused the offer and thought nothing more of it.
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which is what a proper friend would do

i wonder how many in here would offer to pay half the fine if they were a passenger in a mates car?
 
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Ryan-3 said:
We've said it before when parking somewhere this could potentially happen, that everyone in the car would split it.
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If it's agreed before because you know you're parking in a risky position then that's fair enough.
 
very much context dependent.
For instance, if it was a 1 off and done in honest ignorance then if i were the passenger i would go halves and hope the friend would do the same if in my shoes. Whether or not i would accept it or not... i would like to think i wouldnt.

BUT.... way back in the day a friend of mine asked me to give him a lift to look at the flat he was in the process of buying as a favour to him. when we got there i was going to park in the municipal car park, he specifically told me not to do that, and that there was free parking for prospective buyers . I was unsure but he insisted it was all above board. i parked... i got a ticket........... and i did then tell him to cough up! (truth be told i cant remember if we even went halves or if he paid the job lot).
The thing i do remember was he told me not to pay and it would not be enforced...... I refused and paid up. like i said i cant remember if i got half the cash back or all of it, but definitely got something.
 
lnoton said:
If the passenger applied peer pressure to park somewhere the driver though might incur a PCN, then I'd suggest they share the cost. Supidity of both should be shared.

Otherwise, why would the passenger pay? As a passenger I would feel sorry for the guy, but nothing more.
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exactly this!. it is similar imo to drink driving. IF you knowingly get into a car with a drunk driver then there is a very strong argument that you are encouraging that behaviour by supporting it. (legally not 100% sure on that but morally... for sure!)
 
bartledvd said:
At what point do you draw the ? What other charges are you going to send any passengers? Puncture cough up mate have a smash halves on the excess? Just stupid if you park like a idiot accept the consequences and pay up.

If i am going somewhere i would never charge friends fuel parking or anything as i am going to pay it anyway.
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see i do not agree with this. way way back in the day one of my friends made a point of not learning to drive, that way he could never be designated driver when going to pubs. He got away with it for a while but eventually cheesed off everyone to the point that we said either he learns to drive or when it is his turn to be designated driver he would cover a taxi cab. To be fair even he would buy a coke and chip in for parking, anything else would be a proper dick move!.
 
Personally as the driver - I would pay it and not consider asking the other person for half.

If I was the passenger and I said "it'll be fine here" - then I'd certainly offer to pay half.

Ultimately - I'd just pay it and move on - driver responsibility unless the passenger was in agreement where to park and knew that it was dodgy.

What happens if driver crashes the car into someone else - would they expect the passenger to pay half?
 
As a passenger, no way I'd expect to pay half the fine. Total dick move on behalf of the driver. Of course it's not always black and white; if the passenger had pressured him to park quickly/somewhere risky then that changes it. However in 99% of cases where as a passenger in a car with a fully grown adult who's in charge of the motor vehicle - and the passenger has little bearing on what's going on with regards to driving/parking - then the driver should take 100% responsibility for where they've parked. Just like the speed they drove, the route they took, whether or not they indicated, had a wee before they got in the car etc..

Me being a passenger in a car is a bit like following my girlfriend around the shopping mall. I pay no attention to what's going on, where I'm going, what shop I'm in.. I'm just there to smile politely and make conversation :p
 
Feek said:
If I was the passenger and the driver got a parking ticket while doing me a favour, I’d offer to pay half without even having to think about it.
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Why's that? It's hardly a favour if the fool parks somewhere he shouldn't and incurs you half of a PCN.

When someone attempts to do you a favour, you aren't then liable for all their **** ups in executing said favour.
 
There seems to be some odd etiquette going on here.

Petrol money. Lifts come in 2 varieties, the "would you like a lift?" and the "can I have a lift?". "Would you like a lift?" puts the onus on the driver to ask for petrol money if they want some. The "can I have a lift?" puts the onus on the passenger to offer. It's that simple. Anyone getting their knickers in a twist that isn't following two these simple rules has social interaction problems.

This does not mean that the driver gets to split fines incurred whilst driving with passengers. That is utterly ridiculous. That's up to the driver to drive and park properly and the passengers, if they feel any kind of responsibility, to offer.

I paid part of a toll fine that my mate got with me in the car not so long ago. There was 4 of us, the roads were unfamiliar (Dublin) and we all thought the driver had paid the toll correctly. We even split the late fine. That's the kind of things mates do. That is not the same as someone asking me to pay part of a parking fine because he parked like a **** then getting the arse because I tell him to go **** himself.
 
GFs dad did this to her.
She asked him for a lift to hospital (I think in this case for our daughter)
To save paying parking at the hospital he went next door and sat in Aldi's car park, Aldi auto registers you entering/leaving and fines you if you go over the allotted time.
I can't remember the time but he went over it and asked my GF to pay it (in full) he later came back and said he had decided to pay half himself.

his argument being that if he hadn't been taking her to hospital he wouldn't have had need to be there.
I thought it was very cheeky to even ask.
 
Participant said:
Why's that? It's hardly a favour if the fool parks somewhere he shouldn't and incurs you half of a PCN.

When someone attempts to do you a favour, you aren't then liable for all their **** ups in executing said favour.
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See my other posts in this thread. It’s all about friendships and what you’d do for people you care about.
 
inogen said:
There seems to be some odd etiquette going on here.

Petrol money. Lifts come in 2 varieties, the "would you like a lift?" and the "can I have a lift?". "Would you like a lift?" puts the onus on the driver to ask for petrol money if they want some. The "can I have a lift?" puts the onus on the passenger to offer. It's that simple. Anyone getting their knickers in a twist that isn't following two these simple rules has social interaction problems.
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imo this is far to simplistic. As a passenger i think it is ALWAYS correct and proper to either offer petrol money and split parking, or, if going to the pub buy a drink for the driver. This to me is etiquette. As the driver if it is a 1 off and i was going anyway, i will refuse any money with a "dont be daft" but it is nice to be offered.

if it is a regular thing however then something as a thank you should be a given without ever having to ask... not necessarily money. beer, or in my wifes mates case, home made cakes :) is just fine
 
bigmike20vt said:
imo this is far to simplistic. As a passenger i think it is ALWAYS correct and proper to either offer petrol money and split parking, or, if going to the pub buy a drink for the driver. This to me is etiquette. As the driver if it is a 1 off and i was going anyway, i will refuse any money with a "dont be daft" but it is nice to be offered.

if it is a regular thing however then something as a thank you should be a given without ever having to ask... not necessarily money. beer, or in my wifes mates case, homemade cakes :) is just fine
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For me, if I offered then I would never ask for money.

If they ask, and it's local, 1 off then I wouldn't. If they ask me for a lift for the airport which is like a 5 hour round trip and a full tank of petrol then "I can, but you need to pay for petrol". If we are going away together then I would suggest we split everything down the middle.

If I am going somewhere that I am already driving, then I probably wouldn't, but would accept if offered.

I gave someone a lift to and from work for a year, it was on my way so it cost me no more petrol or time really. Never crossed my mind to ask for compensation.
 
It happened to us a few years back. We split the fine between the 4 of us. It actually wasn't the drivers fault as we told her to park on a road which years before when we were last there didn't have restrictions. It ended up being the most expensive fry up.
 
I think I might be in the minority here, but I think that unless the passenger suggested or pushed to park in the spot that caused the fine, or if the driver was parking there for something that solely benefited the passenger, then it's the driver's problem.

He parked there, nobody made him. Obviously there's some grey area on whether it'd be a nice thing to offer to split the fine, but I wouldn't expect anyone to split it with me unless they had told me to park there. eg "yeah it'll be fine, I do it all the time", in which case I would definitely expect them to at least split it.
 
bigmike20vt said:
imo this is far to simplistic. As a passenger i think it is ALWAYS correct and proper to either offer petrol money and split parking, or, if going to the pub buy a drink for the driver. This to me is etiquette. As the driver if it is a 1 off and i was going anyway, i will refuse any money with a "dont be daft" but it is nice to be offered.

if it is a regular thing however then something as a thank you should be a given without ever having to ask... not necessarily money. beer, or in my wifes mates case, home made cakes :) is just fine
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That's fine. As a passenger, depending on who the driver is, I would also offer some petrol money, or buy the driver a coffee or something if we stopped. But that's just me being nice. I wouldn't cross my mind that that's what a driver who offered me a lift would or should expect unless we were going on long journey, in which case the lift offering would be part of a wider discussion and not really "a lift". And if I was accepting a lift to somewhere local where the driver was already going and they accepted money from me, I'd probably never go in their car again :)

As a driver, I wouldn't expect someone to offer petrol money unless they asked me for lift. I certainly wouldn't offer someone a lift and then get all weird with them because they didn't give me money. Them asking for a lift is a different thing though. I'd expect them to and if they didn't I wouldn't be giving them a lift anywhere again. Same goes for a variety of en route misdemeanors.
 
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