1st Gaming PC - is this any good for £500

Plec said:
You should - if you go into the build as informed as possible you shouldn't incur any major surprises and if you hit any problems there's usually someone lurking that will be able to talk you through any issues.

(@Danny75 - how do we hide a certain horror thread? :D)
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yeah i'm still here guys :P

I lead my life making an example for people..not always a good one but still i'll be remembered!
 
evertonhero said:
yeah i'm still here guys :p

I lead my life making an example for people..not always a good one but still i'll be remembered!
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For the greater good, i'm afraid we need to: knock you out, roll you in a carpet, chuck you into the back of a ford transit and transport you, and your thread, into the middle of nowhere with no means of communication/escape so that your story eventually becomes an urban legend :D (will email you tomorrow, bud)

*I'll leave you with a severed horses head with a stick stuck in its forehead so you feel more at home.
 
ninezerofive said:
He wants a gaming PC. You could buy an used AMD FX-8350 with ram and mb combo for about 100 and then put GTX 1060 6GB on it, That's like 300 max, and for that money that thing will outperform anything they posted above.
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If he builds it himself (which seems to now be a possibility v prebuilt) he won't need to get an old FX-8350 that cannot max the GPU in some of the games in the video you posted, where the CPU is the bottleneck. I spotted 50-60% GPU usage in some of them.

Not to mention that vid shows GTA at 720p...

Take a look at this vid and GTA with Ryzen 2600+RX 570 @ 1080p:


99% GPU usage yes? Now go back to the 720p vid you posted. What was the usage on the GTX 1060 paired with the FX-8350 in GTA?

The slight advantage the GTX 1060 holds on paper without CPU considerations, can come down a fair bit. Not to mention that at 1080p the RX 570 fps was pretty much the same as the GTX 1060 fps at 720p, and that, in the game that most favours Nvidia. Now think of a GPU upgrade, something faster than a GTX 1060 or RX 570. How well will the FX handle that when it's a bottleneck at 720p with a GTX 1060? Hmm.

FPS drops on FX chips can be pretty bad, which led to people who had them jumping ship on them years ago and getting i5 or i7s. I remember here on this forum one post after another saying how they got tired of their FX and the dips, and were happier with i5s and i7s. Today, with games utilizing more cores, that can mask how ill-suited the FX chips are for modern fast-paced games, as when not much is going on, they can churn out a bit more fps than they used to. But watch those drops.

Feel free to post actually relevant videos though. Am open-minded. Maybe you know something valid regarding this and just posted the wrong video to show it. :)

Did you really mean he should budget £200 for GTX 1060 anyway? Or did you mean the slightly faster GTX 1660 which can be obtained for pretty much that amount?
 


Used FX system, max 120 pounds.

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= 273 pounds


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200 would be a rough estimate, more like what, 160 ?

P.S. I'd still bet money that FX with 1060 6GB would be equivalent ryzen with RX570.

And would be a lot cheaper, that is the main factor here, when you are on 500 budget.
 
Yes the IPC isn't great on FX system, so games like GTA and Assassins Creed will not run that fast, but most of them rely much more on GPU speed.

I am not saying that it's a great system, I am not saying that he should buy one. But as a person on a tight budget, that's the most bang for buck that's out there.

I wouldn't buy it, matter of fact I just sold my FX system so I know the capabilities of it.

If I had 500 pounds to spend, ill probably spend 250 on a motherboard, 100 on APU and run that for awhile until I could get a decent GPU, then would switch out the CPU, then would upgrade the ram and only then finally buy the case, would run that thing on a shoe box until then ;)
 
Thanks for clearing up about the GTX 1060 and price. Makes more sense.

Glad you now see how they might be equivalent, which I'd agree with, rather than cut and dry better performance in favour of FX-8350+GTX 1060. ;) Could be one way or the other.

The other video you've posted is also problematic (hate saying this as don't want to sound like one of those that rejects what they don't want to hear), but apart from a lot of comments calling b******t, what's going on @1:46 for example? FX-8350 outperforming Ryzen 1600? I seem to remember this channel and how it was pretty funny in its unreliability.


If you guyz liked it, give me some thumbs ,drop a sub if you loved it its been nice see you guyz next time..
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Elsa Debroglie9 months ago
I really don't believe any of your reviews honestly. I've owned the fx 6300 through fx 8370 and Ryzen 1600 / 2600x. It was night and day comparing any FX chip to the R5 series. Games used to fall down into the 20-30's all the time on the FX chips.
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That guy, or guyz, is not a serious game benchmarker. Just uploads quantity for clickbait and money, not quality. :)


ninezerofive said:
I am not saying that it's a great system, I am not saying that he should buy one. But as a person on a tight budget, that's the most bang for buck that's out there.

I wouldn't buy it, matter of fact I just sold my FX system so I know the capabilities of it.

If I had 500 pounds to spend, ill probably spend 250 on a motherboard, 100 on APU and run that for awhile until I could get a decent GPU, then would switch out the CPU, then would upgrade the ram and only then finally buy the case, would run that thing on a shoe box until then ;)
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That's fair enough. But let's see if we can help him spec something a bit better.
 
I'll be looking to buy it within the next month, at the minute I'm hoping to go with this suggestion...

My basket at overclockers uk:
Total: £524.18 (includes shipping: £12.30)


and build it myself, hopefully I can scrape a bit more together and use an SSD rather than the 1TB and hopefully use 16gb ram. If anyone can suggest anything better, then please let me know, cheers.
 
dt99 said:
If anyone can suggest anything better, then please let me know, cheers.
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Nope, that's a lot of system for your money and has solid/quality core foundations to build on when required (main purpose of such a build).

And, looking at your original brief - the build fits the criteria spot on. The 570 does an admirable job at 1080p - mighty card, comparatively, for the money.
 
Well, if building yourself, and considering 16GB RAM and SSD, and a little higher budget and you shop around for deals:

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Windows 10 Home USB 32/64 bit is going today for £70.93 if you want to go that route instead of free and cheap key.

That ATX motherboard takes care of the wifi and is an even better board.

Up the PSU to a good quality 550W if you have some pennies left over but you'll get plenty of GPU options with that true 450W.

Try and find a Freesync monitor.
 
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Ok, great. I just need to convince myself to bite the bullet now and do it, I have watched so many YouTube videos on building a PC that I'm pretty confident now, but that could be famous last words. In terms of Windows, I will just try and a cheap key, I do have a crappy old laptop that has Windows 8 on, upgraded to Windows 10, so I suppose I could always just take Windows off that.
 
dt99 said:
Ok, great. I just need to convince myself to bite the bullet now and do it, I have watched so many YouTube videos on building a PC that I'm pretty confident now, but that could be famous last words. In terms of Windows, I will just try and a cheap key, I do have a crappy old laptop that has Windows 8 on, upgraded to Windows 10, so I suppose I could always just take Windows off that.
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That would be ideal. Did you ever activate the digital license on that Windows 10 copy? If not, can do so, and then should be easier to activate on the new computer. https://www.groovypost.com/how-to-u...ivate-windows-10-anniversary-update-licenses/

Can also use the laptop to download Windows 10 to 8GB+ USB stick. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
 
Danny75 said:
That would be ideal. Did you ever activate the digital license on that Windows 10 copy? If not, can do so, and then should be easier to activate on the new computer. https://www.groovypost.com/how-to-u...ivate-windows-10-anniversary-update-licenses/

Can also use the laptop to download Windows 10 to 8GB+ USB stick. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
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I don't think i ever did activate the digital licence, so thanks for the links. Appreciate all the help and advice!
 
No worries. Glad you can see a clear route with this now and are motivated to self-build. :)

Maybe have a look at other cheap ATX cases you might prefer. Some of them come with led fans if you think your lad might like that.
 
dt99 said:
I'll be looking to buy it within the next month, at the minute I'm hoping to go with this suggestion...

My basket at overclockers uk:
Total: £524.18 (includes shipping: £12.30)


and build it myself, hopefully I can scrape a bit more together and use an SSD rather than the 1TB and hopefully use 16gb ram. If anyone can suggest anything better, then please let me know, cheers.
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+1 as for me going with this build is your best bet, the rx570 is good value for the performance you get and the ryzen 2600 is good as well.

It would be hard to get any better than this which is new hardware unless you want to go second hand/used market.
 
Plec said:
And your advice was going so well :D
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Haha.

It was more an afterthought, especially since he'll be building himself, that he doesn't have to stick to that case, get the case you like. And then I thought of his lad...

I think I'm a bit more enthusiastic about some of the lit up fans right now, because parts have been ordered today for a build I'm doing for someone with Fractal Prisma ARGBs. And they look rather nice for RGB fans, more diffused, and they should look nice behind the tinted glass on a Fractal Meshify C Mini Dark.

I'm going to commit hardware sacrilege too... going to replace a Silent Wings 120mm on a Dark Rock Pro 4 with a Fractal Prisma 120.
 
Danny75 said:
It was more an afterthought, especially since he'll be building himself, that he doesn't have to stick to that case, get the case you like. And then I thought of his lad...
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It's a good shout - presentation of the build can make a massive difference, to how it's received on reveal (i know from my own kids - they're like moths).

Although, i'm mean if they're adults - my friends get very little wiggle room. Their kids, i'm a sucker - i'll fulfil the brief, even if it does look like the visiting fair setup in their case.

Danny75 said:
I think I'm a bit more enthusiastic about some of the lit up fans right now, because parts have been ordered today for a build I'm doing for someone with Fractal Prisma ARGBs. And they look rather nice for RGB fans, more diffused, and they should look nice behind the tinted glass on a Fractal Meshify C Mini Dark.
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Yeah, if you keep to a muted design you can create some really interesting looks - can change the look of the internals completely with shadows. (would be interested in pics when you finish with that case - no worries if a PITA)

Danny75 said:
I'm going to commit hardware sacrilege too... going to replace a Silent Wings 120mm on a Dark Rock Pro 4 with a Fractal Prisma 120.
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/covers eyes, sticks fingers in ears and sings: lah lah lah...
 
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Plec said:
(would be interested in pics when you finish with that case - no worries if a PITA)
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Will do. Although will have to rely on him for pics once the plastic is peeled off the window as I'll let him do the honours. And note that he'll be re-using his existing tiny GTX 1060 Zotac ITX which'll look a bit out of place until he upgrades it. :)


Plec said:
/covers eyes, sticks fingers in ears and sings: lah lah lah...
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Sighs... I know, I know.
 
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