Straight Pride - Right on!

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Roar87 said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/unmasking-antifa-anti-fascists-hard-left/index.html



They define almost everyone on the right as fascists/nazis then use violence, including bringing guns to counter protests. Being pro free speech isn't being a fascist. In their eyes there's almost no legitimate way to have Conservative views, everyone with differing views to them is defined as being "far right", then they're open to having violence used against them. Happen to be pro free speech? Nazi. Pro Trump? Nazi. Against abortion due to Christian views? Nazi. Want more done to stop illegal immigration? Nazi.
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You mean taking guns to protests that the far right are taking guns too? Why is it ok for the right to carry guns but not the left? Being "conservative" isn't being a racist anti semite is it? Or is that what it means now? The first amendment only protects the citizen against the Gov infringing on their free speech, which is why the groups the anti racists oppose can get away with chanting "the jews will not replace us" while marching carrying flaming torches mimicking Nazi rallies. So yeah they are free to chant that but then the left is free to confront them and call them anything they like as it works both ways. Don't try and tell me the right hasn't tried to shut them down, Laura Ingram called for them to be labeled a terrorist organisation and made illegal. Where is the free speech there?
 
danlightbulb said:
Its interesting you describe yourself as the norm which implies that being gay isnt. Whilst i know you mean this in terms of what is most common, why does that in itself require celebration? Why cant you be proud of your sexuality simply because its common, as if being gay is some kind of personal achievement.

Flying in the face of adversity is an achievement, if that is what the celebration is about then ok its not too bad then. Simply being gay isnt an achievement. Im not proud of being straight because its a silly thing to be proud of. im comfortable with it, happy with that. im not proud of leaving my nasty abusive ex wife but glad i did and that could be considered an achievement.

What other achievements get a huge city wide party?
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Ok you either haven't read and understood mine or others posts, you have but don't care or you're a troll. Which ever it is I'm wasting my time replying.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
You mean taking guns to protests that the far right are taking guns too? Why is it ok for the right to carry guns but not the left? Being "conservative" isn't being a racist anti semite is it? Or is that what it means now? The first amendment only protects the citizen against the Gov infringing on their free speech, which is why the groups the anti racists oppose can get away with chanting "the jews will not replace us" while marching carrying flaming torches mimicking Nazi rallies. So yeah they are free to chant that but then the left is free to confront them and call them anything they like as it works both ways. Don't try and tell me the right hasn't tried to shut them down, Laura Ingram called for them to be labeled a terrorist organisation and made illegal. Where is the free speech there?
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They're a political group that uses violence against to achieve their aims, that is the definition of a terrorist group. It's easy to cite Charlottesville but that's only one event, and there were legitimate Nazis there, but they've been to hundreds of events and tried to shut them down using violence. Like the OP has done in this thread, they make spurious links between people having "connections" to far right groups, then use that to legitimise violence. Then people like you come here and defend them. I'm not defending White Nationalists running people over in cars, I watched the Vice documentary on Charlottesville, yet you're defending Antifa which is one step away from shooting someone they disagree with.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Ok you either haven't read and understood mine or others posts, you have but don't care or you're a troll. Which ever it is I'm wasting my time replying.
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oh here we go again. challenge the rationalle for celebrating certain things and people just go defensive.

I have read your posts. you are saying that it is a celebration of surviving being marginalised and the adversity that this group face in their lives.

I am saying that this in itself is divisive because it continues to reinforce that this group is not normal, is marginal, and is different to most other people.

Hey, some people like being different. some people like to stand out. others dont. Some groups have vested interests in continuing to ensure being gay is seen as different. Do you disagree with this?
 
danlightbulb said:
oh here we go again. challenge the rationalle for celebrating certain things and people just go defensive.

I have read your posts. you are saying that it is a celebration of surviving being marginalised and the adversity that this group face in their lives.

I am saying that this in itself is divisive because it continues to reinforce that this group is not normal, is marginal, and is different to most other people.

Hey, some people like being different. some people like to stand out. others dont. Some groups have vested interests in continuing to ensure being gay is seen as different. Do you disagree with this?
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No seriously you don't get it.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
No seriously you don't get it.
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ok. I have read your posts again and cant really see what point i have missed.

I had a look on wikipedia about gay pride and as i suggested, it does attract criticism from with the gay community for the reasons i have tried to describe. From wiki:

In a special queer issue of The Stranger in 1999, openly gay author, pundit, and journalist Dan Savage questioned the relevance of pride thirty years later, writing that pride was an effective antidote to shame imposed on LGBT people, but that pride is now making LGBT people dull and slow as a group, as well as being a constant reminder of shame. However, he also states that pride in some simpler forms are still useful to individuals struggling with shame. Savage writes that gay pride can also lead to disillusionment where an LGBT individual realises the reality that sexual orientation doesn't say much about a person's personality, after being led by the illusion that LGBT individuals are part of a co-supportive and inherently good group of people.[55]
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A number of associations and social movements have been denouncing in recent years which, in its views, is a depletion of the claims of these demonstrations and the merchandization of the parade. In this respect, they defend, in countries like Spain, the United States or Canada, a Critical Pride celebration to have a political meaning again.[58][59][60][61]Gay Shame, a radical movement within the LGBT community, opposes the assimilation of LGBT people into mainstream, heteronormative society, the commodificationof non-heterosexual identity and culture, and in particular the (over) commercialization of pride events.[citation needed]
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Like i said, a lot of vested interest in making sure gay people continue to stand out. a lot of money and individual success and fame to be had from it for the wrong type of people. This is common across any minority movement or religion.
 
Roar87 said:
They're a political group that uses violence against to achieve their aims, that is the definition of a terrorist group. It's easy to cite Charlottesville but that's only one event, and there were legitimate Nazis there, but they've been to hundreds of events and tried to shut them down using violence. Like the OP has done in this thread, they make spurious links between people having "connections" to far right groups, then use that to legitimise violence. Then people like you come here and defend them. I'm not defending White Nationalists running people over in cars, I watched the Vice documentary on Charlottesville, yet you're defending Antifa which is one step away from shooting someone they disagree with.
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I'm not defending their actions when they turn violent. I said they go too far. I asked you to name a terrorist act, you haven't. I could name lots of terrorist acts by the far right. Do I agree with violence, no I do not. People have a right to go to any event and protest/counter protest though, if this wasn't the case you'd not get abortion clinics surrounded by protesters everyday. Do I think they should be allowed to peacefully protest outside abortion clinics, yes even though I disagree with them. Should they be allowed to assault staff, clients and attack the sites, no they should not.

Again I'm not defending violence. I'm just saying I understand where these groups come from and they are only a reaction to the far right and in some cases capitalism when it is left to run out of control. None of that should have anything to do with Gay Pride though except some douche wants to organise a parade and call it Straight Pride, which implies there is something wrong with being gay, why else call it the opposite of Gay Pride? If someone wants to organise a parade to bring society together, great do it but as soon as you call it Straight Pride it becomes divisive.
 
It also seems to be increasingly hijacked by straight people virtue signalling and companies have also started jumping on the bandwagon the last couple of years with, blatant, cynical marketing involvement.
 
I wholly support profiteers continuing to make a mockery of their own 'group' by making their audience visible and poorer. So go ahead, i'll lol.

What is it with the likes of evangelists, pro gun, pro life, pro **** everyone else that they love wasting their money on someones ego?
 
When you have great paedo support like Milos, what can possibly go wrong?

Parade organizers announced that Yiannopoulos would act as the “mascot and Grand Marshall”. Yiannopoulos – exiled from US conservative circles after comments about pedophilia, widely banned from social media and revealed last year by the Guardian to be in deep debt – has begun promoting the event on his own Telegram channel.
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Oh and Chapman a man convicted violent **** eater, who doesn't care about antisemitism, that's not far right at all folks.

High quality meme here.
 
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I went to a gay club once, I just was like lets go take a look inside. More of a gay bar in Leeds.... my friend was with me.

Said first thing he heard someone say near bar is "No way that guy is gay".

I was like..............discrimination!?!?!? I left super offended I tell you.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Gay Pride is inclusive, well the London one certainly is. I've been to several over the years with gay friends and as a straight guy I always felt included. Never once to I get a comment or even a vibe of not being welcome, the exact opposite in fact.
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Same here , been to loads of gay pride events bars, clubs and house parties and always felt very welcomed regardless of my sexuality.
 
danlightbulb said:
People are persecuted all the time you just never hear of individual cases unless its the marginal group flavour of the month.

Is there an annual celebration of women being allowed to vote? is there an annual celebration of disabled people getting more equal rights? what about black people and slavery? maybe these do exist and my world is small so i dont know about them.
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There are numerous events celebrating black rights, black history events etc. The anniversary of suffrage is celebrated yes, it was all over the news and topical TV quite recently. I think maybe you live in a bit of a bubble. Even if those things weren't celebrated why should that mean gay people shouldn't celebrate their culture?

You seem to have tagged on to the celebration of diversity, celebrating that people are different and highlighting said differences but not realising that the other element of this is saying that it's okay for people to different, that those differences dont separate us and as such people shouldn't have to hide who they are.
 
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Nitefly said:
I agree with your point about all inclusive festivals / carnivals but your point about ‘why can’t straight people celebrate...’ is a little obtuse. Such celebrations are quite obviously celebrations in the face of adversity. And before anyone makes the point that ‘we have equality by law’ or whatever people are very obviously treated differently because of their sexuality, often in a negative way. That’s why ‘gay pride’ festivals exist. If people were treated equally by everyone then it would be a bit of a nonsense, but sadly that’s not the reality of the world.
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Agreed “cisgender white male” is often a pejorative these days and saying anything that might upset an lgbt person even if there was no ill intent gets you fired. So straight men do face adversity for their sexuality.

If someone was gay 100 years ago. They’d probably just want ‘the norm’ to live their life with who they love like everyone else and not be made an exception of. By making pride carnivals they continue to make themselves exceptions and continue to not be the norm. How can something, which the whole point is to be ‘proud of being different’, ever be treated like the norm? It is a completely oxymoronic stupid thing. Would I be all for a pride parade in Saudi Arabia? Absolutely. In the UK? USA? EU? No. It’s just narcissism.

And also to your point of “if everyone was treated equally”. No one is treated equally, woman, man, child, adult, gay, straight, whatever. People are always going to treat other people differently for whatever reason they choose. In fact a world in which everyone treats everyone in the exact same way sounds awful to the point of it being dystopian.
 
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Jokester said:
It also seems to be increasingly hijacked by straight people virtue signalling and companies have also started jumping on the bandwagon the last couple of years with, blatant, cynical marketing involvement.
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Yep i just went to tesco for food and saw a skittles display, they have attached their rainbow marketing theme to the gay pride rainbow theme. What have skittles got to do with being gay?
 
Jokester said:
It also seems to be increasingly hijacked by straight people virtue signalling and companies have also started jumping on the bandwagon the last couple of years with, blatant, cynical marketing involvement.
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Quite a few police forces seem to be really rather sycophantic about it. Not just with LGBT communities but other minority groups. I can appreciate that perhaps they're trying to earn their trust/support but really I think the effort could be better spent elsewhere (engaging with black communities in cities for example).
 
Mason- said:
Agreed “cisgender white male” is often a pejorative these days and saying anything that might upset an lgbt person even if there was no ill intent gets you fired. So straight men do face adversity for their sexuality.

If someone was gay 100 years ago. They’d probably just want ‘the norm’ to live their life with who they love like everyone else and not be made an exception of. By making pride carnivals they continue to make themselves exceptions and continue to not be the norm. How can something, which the whole point is to be ‘proud of being different’, ever be treated like the norm? It is a completely oxymoronic stupid thing. Would I be all for a pride parade in Saudi Arabia? Absolutely. In the UK? USA? EU? No. It’s just narcissism.

And also to your point of “if everyone was treated equally”. No one is treated equally, woman, man, child, adult, gay, straight, whatever. People are always going to treat other people differently for whatever reason they choose. In fact a world in which everyone treats everyone in the exact same way sounds awful to the point of it being dystopian.
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By treated equally I actually meant treated fairly. People are different but some people are treated more unfairly than others.

I think the whole threat of ‘upset a LGBT and get fired’ is a slightly hysterical internet nonsense. I’ve never heard anything of the sort ‘in real life’. I have heard some very homophobic comments quite recently though (at a formal event).

I really can’t see how gay pride is ‘narcissistic’. Perhaps the fact you think it’s narcissistic is the reason it continues? :p

Could gay people be narcissistic about it? Well, I suppose. But I don’t think it’s narcissistic in principle. Or at least it doesn’t have to be. And celebrating the progress made in the last 10 years even.... I say plenty to be pleased about. Crack on!
 
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