Something super is coming...

[HRL]

Thats what I meant....You could sell your 2080 ti and get 2 2070 supers in sli ?

No, I’ll wait and see what the 3000 series are like next year and then maybe pick up another 2080Ti instead when they’re EOL.

Never dabbled with NVlink or SLI before but I gather it’s not anywhere near as bad as some make out.

 

[Beren]

Decent steps up from Nvidia - especially the gains on the 2070 with no increase in price. It is still not in my price bracket but that should make the 2070 pretty close to a 4k capable GPU.

I think with the size of silicon on Navi they should have very strong profitability at the list price and I think they are going to have to seriously review pricing within 6 weeks of launch. We often see them do that so it wouldn't be a surprise. Also I do wonder if they are holding the 5800 & 5900 back just to see what Nvidia would do to combat low end Navi.

 

[aoaaron]

Decent steps up from Nvidia - especially the gains on the 2070 with no increase in price. It is still not in my price bracket but that should make the 2070 pretty close to a 4k capable GPU.

I think with the size of silicon on Navi they should have very strong profitability at the list price and I think they are going to have to seriously review pricing within 6 weeks of launch. We often see them do that so it wouldn't be a surprise. Also I do wonder if they are holding the 5800 & 5900 back just to see what Nvidia would do to combat low end Navi.

If they have a 2080-beater, now is the time to show it before everyone buys up the 2070S and 2080S. I don't mind paying £100 extra rather than waiting 6 months for AMD.

 

[TheRealDeal]

If they have a 2080-beater, now is the time to show it before everyone buys up the 2070S and 2080S. I don't mind paying £100 extra rather than waiting 6 months for AMD.

They definitely have something that can trounce a 2080. The big question is when will it be viable to release on the 7nm process. My guess is not for a bit. You only need to look at the 5700xt specs to see it's no where near there best effort.

 

[Grim5]

They definitely have something that can trounce a 2080. The big question is when will it be viable to release on the 7nm process. My guess is not for a bit. You only need to look at the 5700xt specs to see it's no where near there best effort.

When amd puts out a 300w gpu that’s when you know it’s their best effort

5700xt is like 225w right? So obviously they can push harder

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Next year gonna be great for GPUs, competition from Intel and hopefully much better price/perf from Nv to boot. Can't wait.

 

[Grim5]

Next year gonna be great for GPUs, competition from Intel and hopefully much better price/perf from Nv to boot. Can't wait.

Is Intel's Xe desktop gpus confirmed for 2020 launch?

Man that will be exciting if true

AMD Navi 20, 7nm
Nvidia RTX 3000 7nm+ EUV
Intel Xe 7nm

So much competition

 

[The Old School Gamer]

The 2080 super is said to have a RRP of $699 (£555)±20%(£666)+markup(£699).

That makes it interesting.

A third-party card with a decent heatsink and 3 fans should OC up to 10% give or take. (Add another £50 on top of the founders card).

So basically your be looking at 'near enough' the same performance level as a stock 2080ti but for around £749.

That might actually get some of us die hard 1080ti owners thinking about the upgrade.
It may also leave a slightly bitter taste in the mouths of people who dropped well over a grand+ on the 2080ti.

 

[4K8KW10]

The 2080 super is said to have a RRP of $699 (£555)±20%(£666)+markup(£699).

That makes it interesting.

A third-party card with a decent heatsink and 3 fans should OC up to 10% give or take. (Add another £50 on top of the founders card).

So basically your be looking at 'near enough' the same performance level as a stock 2080ti but for around £749.

That might actually get some of us die hard 1080ti owners thinking about the upgrade.
It may also leave a slightly bitter taste in the mouths of people who dropped well over a grand+ on the 2080ti.

I don't think 2080S will be able to get anywhere near 2080Ti because the enabled units are not that much:

While the performance difference is ~30%

 

[Grim5]

The clocks are high but Turing clocks can’t go too high or the card pulls too much power. The 2080s is down over 1000 CUDA cores from the Ti.

The 2080 Super is supposed to draw the same 250w that the Ti does even thought is way down on cores and that’s because Nvidia has pushed the clocks

 

[The Old School Gamer]

Performance is going to be between 2080 and 2080ti, that much is certain.
And I'm talking about a decent thrid-party card with a manual overclock applied.

So yeah I reckon it could get pretty close to a stock 2080ti in gaming benchmarks.

Guess we will know soon.

My main point though is the price to performance value might actually be there this time.

 

[Grim5]

Performance is going to be between 2080 and 2080ti, that much is certain.
And I'm talking about a decent thrid-party card with a manual overclock applied.

So yeah I reckon it could get pretty close to a stock 2080ti in gaming benchmarks.

Guess we will know soon.

My main point though is the price to performance value might actually be there this time.

The 2080s boost clock is 1940mhz out of the box. You know how high that is? The card should be hitting like 2200mhz - there is little room to overclock. Probably the memory you can overclock but I reckon there won’t be much on the core.

So what I’m suggesting is the 2080s you see is about as good as you’ll get bar cooling options. While with the extra 40% Cuda cores and 40% extra transistors should keep the 2080ti stock ahead - plus it has a fair bit of overclock headroom due to the low out of the box clocks - my own is 20% faster than the stock

 

[FoxEye]

If you inflation adjust current prices back to 2010, we are at 480 prices. And the pricing would be even better if the GBP exchange rate hadn't been trashed from 1.6 to 1.3 - I expect the GTX2060 would have cost about £250 (inflation adjusted).

The hysteria over pricing in the mid-range seems a little overblown to me, probably driven by the fairly expensive Titan pricing.

I agree there is a little hole in the ~£250 price point, however, you can get RAM for £60 cheaper now than a year ago. SSDs are dropping like a stone. I just don't agree with with the being priced out argument.

There's something very wrong with those numbers. The GTX 460 1GB released at $229. Adjusting for inflation that's $288 today.

Your numbers show the 4xx xx60 line at $300 in 2010.

Nice try, but these are made-up numbers, aren't they. Made up to make current prices look better; to give a flat line on a graph. But it's fake.

e: Additionally the graph makes no mention of the fact that nVidia has pushed the product stack upwards in terms of pricing, and downwards in terms of placement in the product stack.

Ie a 480 was the top card; a 2080 isn't. Above the 2080 there is not one but two more powerful cards.

So yeah. Crap graph.

 

[FoxEye]

Holy crud

2060 Super listed at $499 on Amazon. I'm sure OcUK won't be too bothered about me saying that. Because that price is insane (-ly bad).

Wow. No matter how awful things seem to be it just gets worse in the GPU space

 

[JediFragger]

Wow. No matter how awful things seem to be it just gets worse in the GPU space

How's that Vega 56 Pulse for £270 w/free games looking now

 

[FoxEye]

How's that Vega 56 Pulse for £270 w/free games looking now

About £20 too expensive

 

[JediFragger]

LOL!

 

[The Old School Gamer]

The 2080s boost clock is 1940mhz out of the box. You know how high that is? The card should be hitting like 2200mhz - there is little room to overclock. Probably the memory you can overclock but I reckon there won’t be much on the core.

So what I’m suggesting is the 2080s you see is about as good as you’ll get bar cooling options. While with the extra 40% Cuda cores and 40% extra transistors should keep the 2080ti stock ahead - plus it has a fair bit of overclock headroom due to the low out of the box clocks - my own is 20% faster than the stock

I get what your saying, and may well be correct.
Lets see what the OCed benchmarks show.

 

[Grim5]

I get what your saying, and may well be correct.
Lets see what the OCed benchmarks show.

I'm only saying this because it's what I've witnessed on other cards in the RTX lineup. The relative clocks are pretty similiar for RTX. 1550mhz is low and 2200mhz is very high and this is the clock speed range for RTX2000 cards. And so what I've seen is cards that come out of the box higher up in this range tend to have very little overclocking headroom.

 

[Hades]

How's that Vega 56 Pulse for £270 w/free games looking now

OcUK just put it up to £290. I'm also refusing to buy it at that price. I have the money to buy it at this price but it's a no from me.

About £20 too expensive

£40 too expensive now. Like you I would have bitten at £250. But £290 is waaaaay higher than my trigger level. I've resigned myself to just waiting for something within budget and will only buy a used card if a new one never reaches that point. Or I will spend more on a higher end card once one reaches around £500 that I like. I will temporarily donate my Vega 64 to my son for his new build and just revert to my old 7970 for a few months and see what happens. I saw people berating you a while back for not buying at only £10 or £20 above your budget. But I think you're right to set a budget (whatever that amount is) and stick to it.

There were also a few deals in Europe which I may see if they are still there. I quite often buy cheaper stuff from Germany and ship it here. I saved 30% on my bathroom by doing that

Another option is to buy a cheaper blower card now, and then when funds allow in the future, add an aftermarket cooler. You'll probably get better overall performance and noise level than even a good card such as the Pulse.