Completely pointless to upgrade for the next 16 months or so unless your got a gtx 970 or similar. New consoles coming out during the holidays 2020 which will set new standards across the board and make everything we got pretty much obsolete. 2021 is the next good upgrade year.
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You can't just compare what was top then and assume that must mean it is the equivalent of what is top now, that's ludicrous, there are extra high end cards out now for a different market, for example, are you honestly going to say that the equivalent gaming monitor of yesteryear in today's market must be a £1000+ ultra wide?, no, because there are new high end products in the market place now, more options, new specs, it's not like for like, what was once high end then easily equates to the performance value of mid range today and better, and I say better because you have more performance and longevity for your money now, easily, I've been gaming on PC since 286 based systems, I'm telling you it's cheaper now than ever to play PC games well.
The problem is people just look at the top flagship components and think "well they are 'x' amount more expensive than what my top end component was back in the day, this means PC gaming is very expensive", But I honestly think there are more variables to it than that, the performance you can get from a mid-range system now is arguably better in terms of performance and longevity than a high end system of yesteryear, don't just look at the pricing, observe what your system can do for the money, how many times you need to upgrade etc, you want to build a monster 4K rig, hell yeah it's going to be expensive, but that really isn't the modern equivalent of an old 1080p high end gaming rig, we have what I class as 'ultra' high end rigs now and of course they are going to be expensive, but you no way have to spend that kind of money to have a very good gaming rig today, a rig that performs better in games today compared to how a high end rig did back in it's day.
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That's baloney tho.
I'm looking at nV's 2000 and AMD's 5000 mid-range offerings. Starting at £450!
The cards you can get "cheaply" these days are £250+ and the are low end on ultra cut-down chips.
Are you telling us all that the xx60 nV range is now high-end?
Are you telling us that AMD's 5700 series are high-end?
If you can say that without smiling or outright bursting out laughing, then you should be a politician.
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You can get a vega 56 for under £300 I would consider that more high end than mid as it will do ultra 1440p pretty darn well.
And then at 1080p ultra settings you have a massive choice at £100-£200 which is the mid range now.
I would consider low end at the rt 550 and 1030 nvidia e.tc I've noticed when new gens come out expensive the old gens are just completely forgotten and the price of the new is the only focus.
The 2080 and 2080ti / Radeon 7 are for enthusiasts really, that want above and beyond or 1440p 144hz -200hz or 4k gaming , and these people obviously have spent a lot of money already
A: on a processor and ram and setup that can power such a card
B: A monitor that is high res and.or refresh rate
Most people are 1080p warriors or cheap 1440p adopters and so the mid end £300 gpus are perfect
So you're agreeing with him that the 2060 and 5700 are high-end now?
Really? Strange crowd here.
The current £100-£200 cards are recycled garbage from years ago. They aren't mid-range. Their trash tier. I have a 480. It's trash tier. Really.
Mid-range these days starts at about £300.
£100-£200? You're having a laugh. That's where you get the recycled Polaris cards and other junk from THREE YEARS AGO. People thought they were junk then. Three years later they aren't suddenly the mid-range, lol.
Grrrrrrrr. Why do people try so hard to justify this current market?
Because they are creating it and getting their salaries for doing so.
It's called conflict of interest and effectively I think they have no right to comment, at all.
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That's not a problem its the status quo. Regardless of what point you may be making, even if you throw in inflation AND the drop in value of the pound, @TheRealDeal is fair to point out building a powerful gaming rig from ~c2000 era would still only cost £1400 today (or should be able to get way below that custom). I would probably equate that to akin getting a 2080 now or if I was being generous a 1070Ti which cost between £450-700 respectively. The high end has blatantly gone from £200-300, to now commanding north of £500 which is absurd.
Comparing the spec and price of components from years ago with todays and then making a judgment on perceived value for money is crazy. It’s too subjective and open to all manner of criticisms. It’s also pointless.
There’s a lot of hate on this and other threads for people who dare to spend top money on high end kit. (Especially GPU’s) It’s a personal choice and if someone wants to pay it then that’s their choice and good on them.
There’s a lot of hate on this and other threads for people who dare to spend top money on high end kit. (Especially GPU’s) It’s a personal choice and if someone wants to pay it then that’s their choice and good on them.
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People excuse making for stupid pricing are going to destroy PC gaming. Look on Steam or what market research firms are showing. Most gamers are buying under £300 CPUs and GPUs. If the top end goes to stupid pricing,the whole range gets pushed up,meaning the mainstream which is more price sensitive gets slower and slower performance jumps.
When that happens,devs won't be pushing graphical jumps for PC games as much as they can,and it also means mainstream PCs are not moving away from consoles as fast as they used to. A game like Crysis came with some of the best value graphics cards like the 8800GT which were huge jumps in mainstream performance. If cards like this had not been released,a game like Crysis would never even been released IMHO. Console games could not even compare. Look at HL2,again the ATI 9000 series was a great leap forward in performance and put DX9 on the map.
Then you have more and more companies moving to game streaming - if mainstream PC gaming starts stagnating in processing power,then expect Stadia and similar kinds of things to start gaining traction. For all their problems they offer some unique capabilities normal PC gaming won't have(ability to continue playing a game on multiple devices,and instant play). People also need to remember that 75% of gaming revenue is now mobile devices and consoles. Many of the most profitable PC games are not tech demo games,they are MMOs and MOBAs,many of which have cartoony graphics and scale well to lower end graphics hardware.
When that happens,devs won't be pushing graphical jumps for PC games as much as they can,and it also means mainstream PCs are not moving away from consoles as fast as they used to. A game like Crysis came with some of the best value graphics cards like the 8800GT which were huge jumps in mainstream performance. If cards like this had not been released,a game like Crysis would never even been released IMHO. Console games could not even compare. Look at HL2,again the ATI 9000 series was a great leap forward in performance and put DX9 on the map.
Then you have more and more companies moving to game streaming - if mainstream PC gaming starts stagnating in processing power,then expect Stadia and similar kinds of things to start gaining traction. For all their problems they offer some unique capabilities normal PC gaming won't have(ability to continue playing a game on multiple devices,and instant play). People also need to remember that 75% of gaming revenue is now mobile devices and consoles. Many of the most profitable PC games are not tech demo games,they are MMOs and MOBAs,many of which have cartoony graphics and scale well to lower end graphics hardware.
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The salaries in the developed countries, which many people get, haven't moved up even a tiny notch. While companies charge ever more and more.
People support the purchases only with financing/loans/credit cards, and ever more rarely with saved money.
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Yeah, pretty pants the way things are going, isn't it?
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Its pointing out the elephant in the room, but 'hate' and other wording like that is why they call the modern era the ********* generation as you cannot say anything without offending these days...
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Western economics are based entirely on debt and that's why it will all come crashing down sooner or later.
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You have a very strange view of low and mid range. If a card can do 1080p at ultra settings 60+fps is that low or mid range?
So what you are really saying is that Nvidia and AMD arent releasing anything mid or low tier THIS generation.....but you are missing the "YET" bit, they are just realasing now, the lower ones will come but they see no need to replace a 1030 with a 2030 , whats the point? if you need a card to run windows and maybe minecraft then you wouldnt care that its 3 years old as long as it runs it.
There is no justification for this market other than it exists, it wouldn't exist if it wasn't ......
You tell me what is a mid tier and low tier cards requirements and i'll tell you what cards fit it and why.
And no a 2060 is the top end of mid tier, as is the 5700xt
Including that word
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It is all a bit concerning IMHO. Hopefully with both AMD and Nvidia getting less gaming graphics revenue,maybe it will push them to try and improve things more than they have.
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What if... They are all taking to each other.
The stadia the nvidias the amd the sony the xbox. And just maybe they are organising this all the way they want it to go.
I. E console gaming and streaming over hardware. Just what If
The stadia the nvidias the amd the sony the xbox. And just maybe they are organising this all the way they want it to go.
I. E console gaming and streaming over hardware. Just what If
So the mid-range now runs from £300 to £500. That's about what I was saying. I said the mid-range starts at £300 these days.
So finally we can agree that mid-range prices have risen far above inflation.
Also 1080p/60 gaming is not high-end or even mid-range in 2019. 1080p/60 screens are dirt cheap - can be <£100!. Ergo, low-end. And besides, the AMD 480 I have in my system right now can't do 1080p/60 in all games. It's a low-end card for low-end resolutions and refresh rates. 1440p is mid-range now.
1080p/60 is low-end screen and a £150-£200 GPU in 2019 is low-end. You have to pay at least £300 to get something that could be called low-mid (Vega 56). And £430 to get high-mid, to use your description. Although I would say actually 2070 is mid-high. 2060 is just mid-range. And it is £430+ for the AIB models. £500+ for the 2070 - also a mid-high card.
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The consoles are popular, and low hardware compared to dedicated GPU means the devs should be able to code effectively meaning you dont need a 2080ti for good looking titles i.e. GoW on PS4 is amazing.
Yeah they are absolutely rigging the market together I have no doubt about it. The roadmaps laid out for decades have proven to trickle stuff slowly rather than innovate rapidly.
I guess it depends when the day was. In 1994 $3-4K was the value segment for those that couldn’t afford Pentium and SCSI.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...0#v=onepage&q=Pc magazine 486dx4 1994&f=false