Something super is coming...

Yaayuh! · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:24

Illuminist said:
Here I go, im going to regret this

2080ti/Titan top tier
2080/2080s + radeon 7 high tier
2060s/2070/2070s + vega 64 + 5700xt - mid tier
2060 / 1660ti + 5700 - low tier
1660/1060/590/580 - budget tier
everthing below is peasant "why bother" tier

How about that

FTFY

Too Tall · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:25

I'm in the market for a 2080Ti, but I refuse to pay these silly prices. I'd rather wait for one to come up on the members market with a warranty.

I game at 3440x1440 @ 100hz but also have two small 800x600 monitors I use for sims which the 1080Ti doesnt quite give me the 100 fps.

tamzzy · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:29

Too Tall said:
I'm in the market for a 2080Ti, but I refuse to pay these silly prices. I'd rather wait for one to come up on the members market with a warranty.

Too late...

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/evga-rtx-2080ti-ftw3-ultra.18858685/

Rroff · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:31

B1gbeard said:
Only if you are under the misconception that we just blindly buy no matter what. They have spent god knows how many posts moaning about the cost of GPU's and then when it is pointed out that they can get a great GPU for a good price, it's something else.

Mostly people have been talking about GPUs that performance wise were barely midrange 3 years ago at a "good" price...

B1gbeard · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:32

Simon Belmont said:
Yeah but prices have gone really silly over the last year or so. They weren’t that bad during the 360

Yeah some of them are pretty crazy. People seem to be of the attitude though that they see £500 or £1000 and think I'm out as it's too expensive but if you do a bit of research (and I am sure people on here must watch reviews which is why the complaining doesn't make sense), you still don't need to spend that much money on a GPU to play at over 1080p and 60hz+. If you want to do 4k 60hz then yeah, it's probably going to cost more than a PS5 but even then I bet a 2070S will do fine if you turn down a few in game options that will have no visual difference in game.

Maybe it's because I come from originally buying PC hardware from the 286 days when spending a ton for a PC with no GPU hardware acceleration was the norm.

HaroldSaxon · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:36

Because I play at 240hz/1080p - i'm not massively interested in the new cards. The NVENC (is that the right acronym?) chip seems pretty nice - but not worth a new GPU!

I'm going to be doing a custom loop next year (would have been this year but had a fairly sudden move a few months back) and at that point I may consider changing my GPU - only because finding a water block for it is so difficult. Hopefully there will be the Super Super by then!

That said - I don't see why they didn't call them the 21xx series - but it seems that all companies are intentionally confusing with their naming schemes

Grim5 · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:37

1080p240hz, cpu upgrade will be more important than gpus

Rroff · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:38

B1gbeard said:
Maybe it's because I come from originally buying PC hardware from the 286 days when spending a ton for a PC with no GPU hardware acceleration was the norm.

286, etc. days were completely different though - much smaller markets meant massively higher prices due to lack of sales volume and most areas of a PC (or a component) back then were bleeding edge - my dad paid something like 3 grand for a 286 and another 3 grand for 2MB video card for work purposes.

We went through many years were the performance tiers were roughly proportional to the capabilities of the silicon and prices were fairly proportional to what you'd expect but lately they've been iteratively decreasing the performance relative to the technical capabilities while slowly increasing the price of each tier.

FoxEye · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:42

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Post in the CS forum,maybe ask if they can hold onto one for you??

There we go. Managed to order one. No buyers remorse this time

I think it's fairly safe to say the V56 will whoop any potential 5600/XT that releases close to £250.

The V56 vs the 5700 non-XT is probably going to be a close fight. With the latter being £100 more expensive.

B1gbeard · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:50

Rroff said:
286, etc. days were completely different though - much smaller markets meant massively higher prices due to lack of sales volume and most areas of a PC (or a component) back then were bleeding edge - my dad paid something like 3 grand for a 286 and another 3 grand for 2MB video card for work purposes.

Post Ryzen PC gaming is cheaper than it has ever been but it it's still not good enough. People are moaning (over and over, not just making a point) about a hobby that was more expensive 3 years ago. So Nvidia have stuck some stuff in a card that the majority don't care about and it's cost silly amounts more (they seem to have realised their mistake although we will wait til next gen). That doesn't change the fact that there is still a budget market for GPU's.

Robi · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:50

I'm very tempted to upgrade from a 1070 to a 2070S, especially if the AIB cards come in at just over £475. I play at 1440P 155Hz and my 1070 is definitely starting to show its age with everything on high/ultra. According to the Kitguru review, i'll see an average of a 45% increase over the 1070 at 1440P, even higher if I OC the card.

Sell the 1070 for £150/170 and upgrade for £320ish - seems a no brainer to me?

I was originally going for the 1080Ti, but for a new card with newer features at a similar price, it makes sense to go for the 2070S surely?

aoaaron · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:52

wtf did nvidia stagger the 2080 super release

B1gbeard · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:53

Robi said:
I'm very tempted to upgrade from a 1070 to a 2070S, especially if the AIB cards come in at just over £475. I play at 1440P 155Hz and my 1070 is definitely starting to show its age with everything on high/ultra. According to the Kitguru review, i'll see an average of a 45% increase over the 1070 at 1440P, even higher if I OC the card.

Sell the 1070 for £150/170 and upgrade for £320ish - seems a no brainer to me?

I was originally going for the 1080Ti, but for a new card with newer features at a similar price, it makes sense to go for the 2070S surely?

It might be worth waiting until Sunday to see what happens with the 5700XT but at that res the 2070S seems a no brainer yeah.

FoxEye · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:54

Rroff said:
We went through many years were the performance tiers were roughly proportional to the capabilities of the silicon and prices were fairly proportional to what you'd expect but lately they've been iteratively decreasing the performance relative to the technical capabilities while slowly increasing the price of each tier.

That's a very nice way of putting it and it's a real shame more people can't or won't see it.

tamzzy · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:57

Robi said:
I was originally going for the 1080Ti, but for a new card with newer features at a similar price, it makes sense to go for the 2070S surely?

1080ti is about the same performance as a 2070S
But buying a 1080ti used usually = minimal/no warranty.
And also GPU driver updates are more geared towards the newer cards. RTX is a bit pointless currently.
1080ti has 11gb ram whereas 2070S has 8gb
So the decision to make is if a 1080ti for £350-400 or a 2070S for £475-£550 would make more sense

B1gbeard · 5 Jul 2019 at 10:59

Rroff said:
We went through many years were the performance tiers were roughly proportional to the capabilities of the silicon and prices were fairly proportional to what you'd expect but lately they've been iteratively decreasing the performance relative to the technical capabilities while slowly increasing the price of each tier.

So you could contribute some of the angst to our expectations which is fine, but it seems unrealistic to expect a thing to always be a thing. It's interesting that the price increases this gen have coincided with both companies introducing new tech. I'm not convinced that either company is making a massive mark up on these and that the high price is just them fleecing us, I'm sure it's not that simple.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Jul 2019 at 11:03

FoxEye said:
There we go. Managed to order one. No buyers remorse this time

I think it's fairly safe to say the V56 will whoop any potential 5600/XT that releases close to £250.

The V56 vs the 5700 non-XT is probably going to be a close fight. With the latter being £100 more expensive.

It should be a nice jump up from an RX480 4GB.

Now to get the rest of your rig sorted!

FoxEye · 5 Jul 2019 at 11:04

B1gbeard said:
So you could contribute some of the angst to our expectations which is fine, but it seems unrealistic to expect a thing to always be a thing. It's interesting that the price increases this gen have coincided with both companies introducing new tech. I'm not convinced that either company is making a massive mark up on these and that the high price is just them fleecing us, I'm sure it's not that simple.

Well, the writing was on the wall with the 10 series.

We shall see what the 30 series brings. More price rises? Price drops? A few are convinced it'll be the latter. I can't claim to know. But I wouldn't be shocked or surprised if prices stayed roughly the same as the 20 series.

FoxEye · 5 Jul 2019 at 11:05

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It should be a nice jump up from an RX480 4GB.

Now to get the rest of your rig sorted!

Probably waiting for B550 boards for that. And it's a toss up between the 3600 and the 3800X. Or others

Bring on the reviews.

Regarding GPUs.... I think what I'm going to do from now on is what I've just done. Buy at the end of the cycle. Buy EOL. Not worry about new cards.

The future seems to be less exciting in terms of performance jumps, and new cards each gen seem increasingly unlikely to match the value of the outgoing gen. At least not for a year or so.

B1gbeard · 5 Jul 2019 at 11:12

FoxEye said:
Well, the writing was on the wall with the 10 series.

We shall see what the 30 series brings. More price rises? Price drops? A few are convinced it'll be the latter. I can't claim to know. But I wouldn't be shocked or surprised if prices stayed roughly the same as the 20 series.

I think the message can be the most important thing. If Nvidia had said we have this new RT tech, first gen, which is where the extra expense is but it'll help to push the technology forward then I'd be fine, let's do it, as long as you stabilise prices as you mature the process. Instead we get ponies, rainbows and "It Just Works".

I hope the "S" cards mean something like that but as you say, let's wait and see.