New CPU choice.

MaXxBoulton · 20 Jul 2019 at 23:03

the time as come to give the GF her system back and buy my new one.
System is used for gaming and watching movies nothing more, with the new intel pricing i am confused on what to buy.

Ram and motherboard will cost the same no matter if i go AMD or intel. but for my needs is the i5 9400f better than the R5 3600.

9400f ccan be had new for £134, the 3600 is around £188
i game at 1440, and GPU is a GTX 1070ti

motiv · 20 Jul 2019 at 23:07

Future proof it with the one with more cores.

MaXxBoulton · 20 Jul 2019 at 23:10

motiv said:
Future proof it with the one with more cores.

if i did that on an x470 board would the cpu performance be the same? or do i have to spend and extra £100 on a x570 bored because in that case i could also but an i7 instead.

motiv · 20 Jul 2019 at 23:20

MaXxBoulton said:
if i did that on an x470 board would the cpu performance be the same? or do i have to spend and extra £100 on a x570 bored because in that case i could also but an i7 instead.

I believe that board supports at least 12 cores

Stephanie Peterson · 20 Jul 2019 at 23:22

No way would i take a 9400 over a 3600, 6 threads vs 12 is going to be a slam dunk especially in a few years - the 9400 aint gunna age well.

nomadd · 20 Jul 2019 at 23:31

MaXxBoulton said:
the time as come to give the GF her system back and buy my new one.
System is used for gaming and watching movies nothing more, with the new intel pricing i am confused on what to buy.

Ram and motherboard will cost the same no matter if i go AMD or intel. but for my needs is the i5 9400f better than the R5 3600.

9400f ccan be had new for £134, the 3600 is around £188
i game at 1440, and GPU is a GTX 1070ti

Answer: 3600 + an MSI B450 mobo.

Ps. If you dare mention Intel on OCUK these days you get put up against a wall and shot.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 21 Jul 2019 at 00:16

The reason the Core i5 9400F has dropped in price is since the Ryzen 5 2600 has dropped to £120.

easyrider · 21 Jul 2019 at 00:51

3600 and a MSI B450 Tomahawk or Carbon

TrM · 21 Jul 2019 at 00:56

MaXxBoulton said:
the time as come to give the GF her system back and buy my new one.
System is used for gaming and watching movies nothing more, with the new intel pricing i am confused on what to buy.

Ram and motherboard will cost the same no matter if i go AMD or intel. but for my needs is the i5 9400f better than the R5 3600.

9400f ccan be had new for £134, the 3600 is around £188
i game at 1440, and GPU is a GTX 1070ti

i say this

take the gf to a nice hair studio and spend a few 100s of pounds on new hair cut and style and maybe even get her nails done
then tell her since she is having her pc back. You have brought a 3900x with a very nice x570 like the asrock tachai or even a asus rog hero even treat yourself to some new 3600 cl 16 ram

If she had enough pampering for the day you getting the new pc will make everyone happy

nomadd · 21 Jul 2019 at 11:00

TrM said:
i say this take the gf to a nice hair studio and spend a few 100s of pounds on new hair cut and style and maybe even get her nails done
then tell her since she is having her pc back. You have brought a 3900x with a very nice x570 like the asrock tachai or even a asus rog hero even treat yourself to some new 3600 cl 16 ram If she had enough pampering for the day you getting the new pc will make everyone happy

Better still, just buy the X570/3900X combo and tell her you bought a cheap 3600/B450. She'll never know the difference.

MaXxBoulton · 21 Jul 2019 at 11:18

Stephanie Peterson said:
the 9400 aint gunna age well.

People say this but the 1155 xeons are still doing 1080p basic gaming after.... what 10 years?

nomadd said:
Answer: 3600 + an MSI B450 mobo.
Ps. If you dare mention Intel on OCUK these days you get put up against a wall and shot.

Yer I think the ryzen will be the better choice. I am going itx so wanting the x470 for the better vrm.

nomadd said:
Better still, just buy the X570/3900X combo and tell her you bought a cheap 3600/B450. She'll never know the difference.

I have genuinely thought of this hahaha.

lltfdaniel · 21 Jul 2019 at 11:25

I vote for the ryzen 3600 because of the threads it is a 6 core 12 thread processor and that will make the difference.

Dan.

Nghtmare · 21 Jul 2019 at 11:33

I heard the B450 Carbon is a pretty good board with decent VRM. It will be enough if you get a 3600.

Poneros · 21 Jul 2019 at 11:44

If I were buying today I'd still buy Intel, the Ryzens are nice value options but fail to impress & for CPUs the price differences are minor compared to how long you'd keep them for, so skimping out makes no sense. Frametime consistency & emulation performance for the Ryzens are still well below Intel. That being said, I can't recommend the 9400f since it's locked. You've also said you are going itx, and this complicates matters because there's more we don't know & have to take into account, so can't make blanket recommendations.

It's very, very important to think about how long you're keeping the CPUs for, how hard you want to push them, what games you play, what resolutions are you going to change to before the next upgrade, what case/cooler/fans you can use etc.

If it's just 9400f vs 3600, then 3600 no doubt. Consider the 9700k as well though, if you plan to spend a bit more, as it's a great CPU & there's lots of room to OC/tweak, and even in an SFF case it's not hard to keep cool for gaming. That would be my #1 choice today.

easyrider · 21 Jul 2019 at 11:54

Poneros said:
If I were buying today I'd still buy Intel, the Ryzens are nice value options but fail to impress & for CPUs the price differences are minor compared to how long you'd keep them for, so skimping out makes no sense. Frametime consistency & emulation performance for the Ryzens are still well below Intel. That being said, I can't recommend the 9400f since it's locked. You've also said you are going itx, and this complicates matters because there's more we don't know & have to take into account, so can't make blanket recommendations.

It's very, very important to think about how long you're keeping the CPUs for, how hard you want to push them, what games you play, what resolutions are you going to change to before the next upgrade, what case/cooler/fans you can use etc.

If it's just 9400f vs 3600, then 3600 no doubt. Consider the 9700k as well though, if you plan to spend a bit more, as it's a great CPU & there's lots of room to OC/tweak, and even in an SFF case it's not hard to keep cool for gaming. That would be my #1 choice today.

If he goes Ryzen he has an upgrade path to 3900x 3950x and Ryzen 4000 series

Intel is a dead socket with one chip to upgrade to a 9900k

I don’t think you have thought this through

jigger · 21 Jul 2019 at 12:03

easyrider said:
If he goes Ryzen he has an upgrade path to 3900x 3950x and Ryzen 4000 series

Intel is a dead socket with one chip to upgrade to a 9900k

I don’t think you have thought this through

Had a similar conversation about the Intel platform trap. If you need to upgrade you will be looking at EOL 9900K’s for RRP....£600 plus a really high end water loop and maybe a case?

Journey · 21 Jul 2019 at 12:06

GTX 1070Ti at 1440p...

AMD Ryzen 5 2600 for ~£99 including the cooler, and a cheap B450 board, and 16GB of Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3200MHz for £60, total spend <£250.

Option to slap in a better CPU if you *ever* become CPU bottle-necked when you buy an RTX 2080Ti or faster.

Poneros · 21 Jul 2019 at 12:06

easyrider said:
If he goes Ryzen he has an upgrade path to 3900x 3950x and Ryzen 4000 series

Intel is a dead socket with one chip to upgrade to a 9900k

I don’t think you have thought this through

3900x & 3950x are still inferior to 9700k/9900k for gaming, so it doesn't matter. As for 4000 series, who knows. It's some very spurious logic to consider a worse processor over a better one just in case you want to upgrade a year from now, especially as 2+ years from now we'll be on DDR5 (and AM4 will be also "dead"). I look at CPUs on 5 year cycles, not 1-2, it's not a GPU. Nor does OP seem the type to upgrade every year either. So the argument, in 2019, seems very weak, frankly.

Poneros · 21 Jul 2019 at 12:13

Journey said:
GTX 1070Ti at 1440p...

AMD Ryzen 5 2600 for ~£99 including the cooler, and a cheap B450 board, and 16GB of Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3200MHz for £60, total spend <£250.

Option to slap in a better CPU if you *ever* become CPU bottle-necked when you buy an RTX 2080Ti or faster.

2600 is hiccup city, even at 1440p. You don't need a 2080 ti to see that.

Check the DF review, look at the Witcher 3 (zoom in the frametime graph) and you can see frametimes in real time, even the 2700x chokes often.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2019-amd-ryzen-7-3700x-review?page=3

It makes sense as a "hold-over" CPU if you want to wait for DDR5 et al, or you can't afford better, but not otherwise.

Journey · 21 Jul 2019 at 12:17

Poneros said:
2600 is hiccup city, even at 1440p. You don't need a 2080 ti to see that.

Check the DF review, and you can see frametimes in real time, even the 2700x chokes often.

Can you please link a review that uses a 1070 TI or equivalent then please?

Unless the card is demanding way more than the CPU can supply then those hiccups as you call them, don't happen.