The Apartheid Wall

[dowie]

I;m confused. The Palestinians claim to be a nation. Israel builds a border wall, and that's 'apartheid'?

I believe the "apartheid" is a reference to how the Palestinians are treated as second class "people" I guess as they aren't citizens - for example they don't have autonomy over planning within the small amounts of territory they control even as Israel can just overrule and demolish, in plenty of other Palestinian areas Israel oversees things rather than the Palestinians.

As for a border wall, that would be much less of a problem, this isn't a border wall but rather it is a security wall that is designed to encompass various illegal Israeli settlements too and cut through and encompass Palestinian land - this is an obvious problem as the Palestinians would eventually like to end the current "apartheid" situation and have their own state, this is somewhat harder when the territory that makes up that state is cut up by security walls, patches of Israeli administered territory because of settlements etc...

Those settlements are a major problem with regards to ever sorting the mess out.

 

[stockhausen]

Israel was repeatedly attacked by its neighboring states . . .

Israel was created in territory far away, occupied by people of whom we knew nothing and about whom we cared even less as the result of a "promise" made during World War 1 by the British Government to an immensely wealthy British Banker and one time Tory MP for reasons which have still not been revealed more than 100 years later.

It is little wonder that the neighbouring states object to the theft of the land, at least those whose rulers haven't been bribed and aren't maintained in power by the USA.

. . . Hundred of thousand of Jews were forced to flee . . .

Hundred of thousand of Palestinians were forced to flee when the British walked away you mean?

If the Palestinanins want some, at least partial, resolution to their geographical grievances they might be well advised to resist being the political pawns of Israel's other enemies, remove their current terrorist leadership and get back to an internationally mediated set of talks over the establishment of a two state solution.

By "geographical grievances" you mean land given away by the British and subsequently stolen from them?

Do you recall the outrage over the Falkland Islands?

 

[Richard - London]

Do you recall the outrage over the Falkland Islands?

Outrage? we found them and we own them?

 

[Chris Wilson]

Israel was created in territory far away, occupied by people of whom we knew nothing and about whom we cared even less as the result of a "promise" made during World War 1 by the British Government to an immensely wealthy British Banker and one time Tory MP for reasons which have still not been revealed more than 100 years later.

It is little wonder that the neighbouring states object to the theft of the land, at least those whose rulers haven't been bribed and aren't maintained in power by the USA.

Hundred of thousand of Palestinians were forced to flee when the British walked away you mean?

By "geographical grievances" you mean land given away by the British and subsequently stolen from them?

Do you recall the outrage over the Falkland Islands?

I recall the exemplary way Lady Thatcher handled the situation in the Falklands, no COBRA bull then... You REALLY don't like Israel, do you? You need to match your rhetoric with actions and throw out all Israeli produced and invented products, which will leave you somewhat wanting, electronically, medicinally and in a dietary sense

 

[ubersonic]

Israel captured the West Bank in the 1967 Middle East war and later effectively annexed East Jerusalem.

I mean, generally speaking if you decide to invade another country and do such a **** poor job of it that you lose land as a result you can't really cry about it.

You don't hear the Americans whining about how Canada set fire to Washington DC after the US invaded them during the Napoleonic wars and got facerolled (the USA was still pretty unhappy with us and liked France after they helped win them their independence so decided to invade Canada as it was still part of the British Empire, it did not go well).

I;m confused. The Palestinians claim to be a nation. Israel builds a border wall, and that's 'apartheid'?

No, he's just using the word due to it's connection to South Africa and what happened there with nonwhites being treated as second class citizens both economically and politically. It's no different than people calling Tory politicians Nazis because they think powerful words give their opinions more validity.

Pretty sure the fact that Israeli Muslims are guaranteed by law the same rights as Israeli Jews would a clue that nothing apartheid is actually going on in Israel.

 

[Jean-F]

Outrage? we found them and we own them?

The French claimed them in 1764, Britain followed suit in 1765, in 1770 a Spanish force from Argentina arrived, and forced the Brits out, almost precipitating a war, but Britain decided to withdraw from many overseas settlements in 1774.
Spain pulled out in 1811, after being pressured by its losses in the Peninsular War.
The British returned in 1833.

 

[StriderX]

Pretty sure the fact that Israeli Muslims are guaranteed by law the same rights as Israeli Jews would a clue that nothing apartheid is actually going on in Israel.

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/israel-s-second-class-citizens-law-1.5471222

Anyway.

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/07/pale...V5OTHeT6nxJ7mntQYdoysPLP1GOysUh7bcqYh7oGbTugE

They used excessive force, seemingly with enjoyment, whilst firing tear gas into the enclosed space and brutalising Palestinians and international activists,” ISM said.

Rielly, Richardson, Lorigan, and Jones had closed themselves off in a “small unventilated bathroom” when a soldier reportedly opened the door and threw a tear gas canister inside.

“When the soldiers found us in the bathroom, they threw multiple tear gas canisters and shut the door. As we started to suffocate in the smallest room in the house, soldiers burst in and dragged us violently, pulling at every possible part, regardless of safety or policy,” ISM quoted Lorigan as saying.

Lorigan told ISM that Israeli soldiers dragged him by his feet, lifted him up, and kicked him in the stomach, while one soldier stamped on his head four times “at full force” before standing on his head and pulling his hair.

Realise it's a bit biased, not sure there was any need for this level of violence.

/inb4 someone mentions the website rather than the story.

 

[Greebo]

There Are videos out there showing the soldiers throwing out the farmers and bulldozing their houses and yes, it is violent,

 

[i know nothing]

Last time this sort of thing happened, a couple of Israeli demolition guys were hurt when a wall fell on them. Luckily they walked away. I hope no-one gets hurt during the current round of demolition.

 

[Sutters]

Israel was created in territory far away, occupied by people of whom we knew nothing and about whom we cared even less as the result of a "promise" made during World War 1 by the British Government to an immensely wealthy British Banker and one time Tory MP for reasons which have still not been revealed more than 100 years later.

Was it not because the Churchill family like most other English arristocracy had become massively indebted to said banker?

 

[Gerard]

There Are videos out there showing the soldiers throwing out the farmers and bulldozing their houses and yes, it is violent,

Nothing new here, seen tons of vids of Israeli Soldiers battering people for no apparent reason. But of course you can't say anything about it or you're Hitler incarnate.