Has OpenWrt , DD-WRT had its day?

Ice Tea

Ice Tea

Ice Tea

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Well of course not but i'm regularly starting to see people complain ( that have moved up to 300/500Mbps speeds ) that OpenSource firmware is now giving them slower throughput than the original stock firmware.

Dev/Mods have said it's to be expected of software Nas putting a heavier load on the hardware so the only option is to either buy a higher spec dual core router or just run stock firmware.
 
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It's no surprise as many of the current routers are using closed source components to run things related to hardware acceleration in the DSP. As soon as you offload that to the CPU, you take a processing hit.
 
I was premature with this thread as apparently openwrt devs have started experimenting with flow control with the latest kernel and are getting much faster throughputs.

The scattergun approach of their forums makes acquiring the latest information difficult and time consuming.
 
Stock firmware often uses hardware optimisations/acceleration that aren’t available/enabled in WRT derivatives. Since WRT existed, you’ve needed to upgrade hardware to cope with increasing speeds, the Linksys 54GS for example wasn’t able to do 50mbit WAN to LAN, so non of this is new and dual core routers have been a thing for at least 6 years, so what’s your point?
 
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You can answer that by reading post 4 even if it's just the first 6 words. :rolleyes:
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Coming from someone who admits they didn't read and then tried to blame the project dev's/forums for issues that were known and understood 15 years ago, that's pretty ironic :D Every time speeds increase significantly, a new crop of routers become incapable of handling the real world WAN>LAN throughput required, it's been that way for the last decade and a half, that's without closed source hardware acceleration or running additional services/filtering etc.
 
Has OpenWrt , DD-WRT had its day?

Ice Tea said:
I was premature with this thread as apparently openwrt devs have started experimenting with flow control with the latest kernel and are getting much faster throughputs.

The scattergun approach of their forums makes acquiring the latest information difficult and time consuming.
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Ice Tea said:
You seem to be having your own imaginary conversation based on your own long term knowledge over rudimental and new knowledge as at no point was anyone blamed for issues.

Post 1 came from what i was reading and the ***** attitude of the DDWRT mods , reddit and alike that was put up and shut up , buy a better spec router or just use stock firmware and stop complaining.hence why i posed the question to get better feedback from OCUK users.

Post 4 i explained i was wrong because (the much nicer people at openwrt) said throughput was now being worked on ( not sure how your 15 years of knowledge works with that and none of us are telepathic? ) and i even explained that i found the layout of acquiring information time consuming , at no point did i claim to be an expert or make a statement that was set in stone i simply posed a question on a chat forum for people to chat about and share knowledge?

So what's your point? ;)
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I starred out the sweary in your quote, i’d suggest you consider doing the same before a mod sees it.

Your post comes across as being angry/blaming other forums/platforms because they weren’t nice to you/you couldn’t use them, you’ve then chosen to bring that here for some reason. Clearly you haven’t grasped the core issue is as old as WRT itself, you can either throw hardware resources at WAN>LAN speeds (faster CPU/architecture/more cores, overclock) or run a stock firmware with proprietary (closed) hardware acceleration enabled. Seemingly that’s what you’ve already been told, but didn’t like the answer. A few minutes on the likes of SNB would show you, getting near gigabit routing out of consumer grade routers WAN>LAN is often not as easy as you’d expect, even with hardware acceleration enabled.

I - presumably like the WRT forums/mod teams, Reddit and whoever else is on the ever growing list of people have upset you - tend to assume if you feel qualified to question if WRT derivatives have had their day because of a perceived issue, that you at least have a basic grasp of the issue. Wherever you run off to next to complain, please consider one important question... What’s the obvious point of commonality between all of those communities that haven’t been nice to you?

Best of luck :)
 
Like i said you seem to be having your own imaginary conversation hence why i removed my post as it's pointless yet hours later you paste it up having your own imaginary conversation yet again and you even try and tell me to star out a word long after it was removed from the forum.

For example you seem to imagine mods and devs are being unpleasant to me when i clearly stated " came from what i was reading " as merely a summery of what i've observed.

Best of luck with your conversation with yourself.:) ;)
 
Most definitely not had their day, I would say openwrt is as strong as its ever been since they now have a GUI and official stable releases.

I only a few months back migrated to openwrt on my switches so I can use VLAN's (and as such a guest network).

DDWRT might be in trouble as its in perpetual testing, but not openwrt.

The problem with consumer device software is they are not supported very well (so often full of unpatched security issues). are feature bare, and also have UI design issues.

Things like NAT acceleration shouldnt really be a performance bottleneck on VDSL and ADSL, might possibly start been a problem on gigabit internet, but you can buy hardware thats powerful enough to hit those speeds without hardware acceleration.

Also my openwrt devices dont route my traffic, my pfsense unit does, that is something like 30x as powerful as my asus ac68. It more than compensates for the lack of NAT acceleration.
 
I have used it in the past, have liked its interface, but I last used it so long ago I cannot remember in detail everything it does, it has the best live traffic graph system I have ever seen in firmware tho.

The original tomato usb I think is dead in terms of development, but the build I used called shibby was active at the time I used it, but that was many years ago now.
 
I'm leaning towards openwrt as i like the assortment of addons like Adblocker though i'm not sure what extra load that will put on the router.
 
There is new releases of openwrt very recently and newer ones already announced, it would be a good choice.

PfSense, OPNSense, Smoothwall, IPFire, OPENWRT

The ones I have experience of are openwrt, pfsense and opnsense.

Pfsense has pfblockerng which is outstanding, lots of enterprise level features.
Openwrt is compatible with a lot of consumer devices including wifi support, and has a very well matured package system.
Opnsense I think is behind pfsense on its development curve but I feel their ethics are better, and have a better more sound approach to security.

I wouldnt consider ddwrt personally. In their early days they had so much potential but for years and years its just been nightly testing releases with varying degrees of stableness, no emphasis "ever" put on getting stable builds out. The UI also hasnt aged well.
 
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