Spec me a USB c to 3.5mm female adapter

You've obviously not had bt run out/break on a long journey.

No, I buy decent quality stuff. Tbf, wired can break too. Never had an issue that I can remember and Timehop recently reminded me I've been using Bluetooth for audio for over 4 years now.
 
I guess that's what their market research shows - but exclusively having BT does happily reduce phone costs, rather than having expensive/shielded codecs in the BOM.

moreover - I would rather have a better quality Bluetooth camera, with the phone, rather than the even bigger compromise of trying to fit optics in the thin body ...


I CANNOT WAIT until it's possible for consumers to get the savings from removing all the front cameras on a phone.

No, I buy decent quality stuff. Tbf, wired can break too. Never had an issue that I can remember and Timehop recently reminded me I've been using Bluetooth for audio for over 4 years now.

How long does the battery last?!
 
It's funny though isn't it, because this fascination of trying to hold on to a 3.5mm jack makes me laugh a little. BT is much simpler too...

BT has its place but it isn't an all around replacement for the use case of some simple headphones and a 3.5mm jack.
 
I went BT a while ago and my Sure SE215 sit collecting dust.
I have a cheap pair for running. I don't have a wire in the way and I don't need to wear my phone on my arm.
I have a pair of Beat headphones that were free with a MacBook purchase -these are great for commutes and keep my ears warm in the winter.
I don't have tangled wires and they never catch on anything in the tube or train.

The only time I ever use wired headphones is when I have a skype TV interview.

I've never had issues with connectivity.
No more damaged wires
No move getting caught on things
Battery life is sufficiently long and charging is fast.
 
My post said shirt pocket. If it buzzes from a txt or a WhatsApp, I'd want to pull it out and see it the right way up.

Not relevant, but before I used phones for music, my MP3 players had top-facing jacks as well.

Surely having top down in a shirt pocket makes it more natural to pull out right way up?
 
All of these questions, I'm genuinely interested, as I supposed I don't really get it at this point. I promise I'm not just trying to argue.

How long does the battery last?!

For the gym I use Jabra Elite Sport. I think they will last 3 or 4 hours, I just need 1½ hours from them. The case will charge them 3 or 4 times. I get a light for each bud and the case being either red, amber or green so I know when to recharge the case. Usually I need to charge the case once every 3 or 4 weeks.

For cycling I use AfterShokz Trekz Air which also have 3 or 4 hours I think. I usually charge these every other ride or after a long ride.

For TV and if I'm going on the tube I use Sony WH1000XM3's which last for 30 hours. A press of a button gives me a % battery level. I charge these every couple of weeks.

In the car, it's plugged in for permanent power.

BT has its place but it isn't an all around replacement for the use case of some simple headphones and a 3.5mm jack.

Can I ask why? For me (not an audiophile) I can't tell a difference and they are actually easier and more simple to use. Being in the gym or cycling with a cable swinging about the place would be really annoying for me. In fact, I can remember using cables years back in the gym and they would also be catching on something. Very annoying.

Doubt this for many people.

I've stated battery life above, which is not long enough? I guess if you're a serious cyclist you might out ride the AfterShokz, but how can 30 hours not be long enough on the Sony's? Even the Jabra's, lets say it's for a commute, they charge in the case when you get to work so surely that's plenty too?
 
Can I ask why? For me (not an audiophile) I can't tell a difference and they are actually easier and more simple to use. Being in the gym or cycling with a cable swinging about the place would be really annoying for me. In fact, I can remember using cables years back in the gym and they would also be catching on something. Very annoying.

I certainly don't shun BT - working nights a lot I tend to use BT headphones at home for watching TV, etc. but I like the simplicity of having wired headphones stashed in my work bag, etc. so if I'm doing a repetitive task for a few hours at work for instance I can just grab them without having to worry about whether I remembered to charge them. I can't say wires bother me personally though as I said BT has its place - cycling being one area that might be an advantage especially as cycling tends to be a more planned activity whereas if I'm using my phone for audio it tends to be more unplanned and less predictable.
 
if I'm doing a repetitive task for a few hours at work for instance I can just grab them without having to worry about whether I remembered to charge them.

My counter argument (again, I don't mean to argue of course) to that would be, almost all totally wireless buds these days come in a charging case... so they're always charged. Just remember once a week to charge the case and you'll be good to go. :)
 
My counter argument (again, I don't mean to argue of course) to that would be, almost all totally wireless buds these days come in a charging case... so they're always charged. Just remember once a week to charge the case and you'll be good to go. :)

that's the point though- people forget and they are stuck with no headphones:p
I have some Bose QC25s with my S10 and i'm not looking to move to wireless just yet.
 
Well Samsung are killing the headphone jack with Note 10 which means next S line is also, almost certainly losing it. Handing out free buds with S10 pre-orders was a goodbye from them.

To put simply, wired headphones just work and always good to go. Removing the jack all those years ago was simply nothing more than an anti consumer move by Apple, designed to open up another revenue stream for them. Now that a lot of people have been forced to upgrade since most Android manufacturers followed suit, BT audio is a lot more mainstream.
 
that's the point though- people forget and they are stuck with no headphones:p
I have some Bose QC25s with my S10 and i'm not looking to move to wireless just yet.

Again, serious question that might sound like I'm trolling... how many times have you forgotten to charge your phone and it's run out the next day? I don't think I ever have. I know people do (usually iPhone owners :p) so maybe it's just about... routines? At the end of the night, I plug my phone in and I think about what else might need to charge. My mouse, my gaming headset, the Sony XM3's, my Jabra's or my Aftershokz... As they all last a week or more, there's almost never more than one other thing charging, but I can't remember ever being caught out.

To put simply, wired headphones just work and always good to go.

For me that's not a good reason. (Aside the fact it applies to all my BT headphones thus far) There would be loads of advances we wouldn't make if we lived by that all the time. 'This is good, lets not develop new tech'.
 
For the gym I use Jabra Elite Sport. I think they will last 3 or 4 hours, I just need 1½ hours from them. The case will charge them 3 or 4 times. I get a light for each bud and the case being either red, amber or green so I know when to recharge the case. Usually I need to charge the case once every 3 or 4 weeks.

For cycling I use AfterShokz Trekz Air which also have 3 or 4 hours I think. I usually charge these every other ride or after a long ride.

For TV and if I'm going on the tube I use Sony WH1000XM3's which last for 30 hours. A press of a button gives me a % battery level. I charge these every couple of weeks.
quick check in amazon , neither the first nor last mention aptx codec support, and I would be after either that or AAC, rather than a potential, default, 128Kb/s mp3.
Even for a non audiophile, codecs makes a difference . .. since free youtube, became 128kb/s is it not very good, and, I will try to find the song immediately on spotify/tidal.

(I've run, outside, with wired ear buds, I guess the BT ones have some kind of security leash, if they did work loose.)

many phones, even with 3.5mm have poor quality audio these days, too, so they are not necessarily a good reference ... BT is, at least, a more consistant, audio quality, product across phone brands. ( albeit the phones encoders can be different )
 
quick check in amazon , neither the first nor last mention aptx codec support, and I would be after either that or AAC, rather than a potential, default, 128Kb/s mp3.

I honestly don't think I can tell the difference of sound quality with AptX, just the audio latency. I sold my Bose QC35ii because of it and bought the Sony XM3's (well 2's at the time). Again, I would say the Bose sounded just as good, certainly not a noticeable difference. When you say first and last? Jabra's and Sony's? The Sony's definitely do have AptX and another one I don't remember what it's called. The Jabra's I watch YouTube and have never noticed latency which makes me think perhaps they do? Either way, they sound great.

Also, you wouldn't be wearing Aftershokz if you cared about top end codecs and sound quality...
 
For me that's not a good reason. (Aside the fact it applies to all my BT headphones thus far) There would be loads of advances we wouldn't make if we lived by that all the time. 'This is good, lets not develop new tech'.

For me, it's an excellent reason that I have earphones I never need to think about. They are in my pocket, I plug them in and plug them out as I need them. Small footprint, never need to bother charging them or what grinds my gears, forced to spend extra money on something I don't need.

I don't see how the existence of 3.5mm jack was hampering Bluetooth audio, there were some excellent wireless headphones before people were getting forced to shell out for something they didn't particularly need. This really wasn't a technological push, just turning us into a bigger cashcows who were already paying huge premiums on our phones.
 
I don't see how the existence of 3.5mm jack was hampering Bluetooth audio, there were some excellent wireless headphones before people were getting forced to shell out for something they didn't particularly need. This really wasn't a technological push, just turning us into a bigger cashcows who were already paying huge premiums on our phones.

I don't think the removal of 3.5mm has anything to do with hampering BT audio. Why would it? I think it must cause issues with other parts of phone design of which I honestly don't know enough to be able to comment on.

I don't believe at all the reasoning it's to push sales of headphones. Seems an odd theory to me. Won't they lose wired headphones sales at the same time? Who's to say who's brand you would buy etc. I just think it's technological progression.

Anyway, we'll probably go round and round at this point and people are now posting with emotion (grinding gears and all, I was honestly trying to avoid an argument) so I'll bow out. Good chat though.
 
I forget to charge my phone all the time tbh. I don't have an issue with BT headphones and developing new tech. I would say more S10 users use BT headphones than wired, but just let me keep my 3.5mm jack a bit longer:p
 
I don't think the removal of 3.5mm has anything to do with hampering BT audio. Why would it? I think it must cause issues with other parts of phone design of which I honestly don't know enough to be able to comment on.

I don't believe at all the reasoning it's to push sales of headphones. Seems an odd theory to me. Won't they lose wired headphones sales at the same time? Who's to say who's brand you would buy etc. I just think it's technological progression.

Anyway, we'll probably go round and round at this point and people are now posting with emotion (grinding gears and all, I was honestly trying to avoid an argument) so I'll bow out. Good chat though.

You've mentioned that there wouldn't be a lot of advances if we just lived by, "it works" principle so I assumed you meant that having a headphone jack on the phones meant Bluetooth audio and related earphones/headphones tech wasn't advancing as fast.

Wouldn't call it an odd theory at all, just look at the price difference and markup between wired and wireless earphones. Most companies released Bluetooth audio tech alongside the new phones, Apple had the $159 headphones very ready to sell when the jack was removed.

I've nothing against wireless audio, it doesn't detract from me listening to my music the way I want to. Removing the headphone jack does affect me though and it was something that I believe was largely a forced move. Most people shrugged their shoulders and thought, "I've already spent a $1000 on a phone, may as well splash out even more".
 
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